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BOQ/Appt - Current situation

Navyfan06

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Hey there everyone- I'm headed down to P-cola in Sept as an SNA. I have been looking online for appartments because I was told that the BOQ is full most of the time and/or they will only give you a certian amount of days to live there and then you have to find a place. Is this still the case? And say for example you sign a lease and then you find out that you will be going to Texas or Oklahoma for primary, are you permitted an out of the lease? Sorry if this may seem redundant, but I just graduated a few weeks ago and I'm trying to get all this crap figured out. Thanks alot!
 

Brett327

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Navyfan06 said:
Hey there everyone- I'm headed down to P-cola in Sept as an SNA. I have been looking online for appartments because I was told that the BOQ is full most of the time and/or they will only give you a certian amount of days to live there and then you have to find a place. Is this still the case? And say for example you sign a lease and then you find out that you will be going to Texas or Oklahoma for primary, are you permitted an out of the lease? Sorry if this may seem redundant, but I just graduated a few weeks ago and I'm trying to get all this crap figured out. Thanks alot!
Just make sure your lease has a military clause in it. It's pretty standard, especially in military areas - lets you break the lease with PCS orders.

Brett
 

TurnandBurn55

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Brett327 said:
Just make sure your lease has a military clause in it. It's pretty standard, especially in military areas - lets you break the lease with PCS orders.

Brett

They'll still find a way to f#ck you. I got my orders 20 days before I was supposed to be in Oceana... they only returned half my deposit because the military clause said I had to give them 30 days notice... all sorts of stories on how they find loopholes in that.
 

EAY05

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I'm heading down there at the end of June. Is it more than likely that I'll be living off base and if so would you say its ok to apply and sign a lease now?
 

Brett327

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TurnandBurn55 said:
They'll still find a way to f#ck you. I got my orders 20 days before I was supposed to be in Oceana... they only returned half my deposit because the military clause said I had to give them 30 days notice... all sorts of stories on how they find loopholes in that.
Still though, that's pretty standard. It's really YOU who's doing the fvcking because it's a huge hassle to find a new tennant on shorter notice than 30 days. That means longer vacancies and lost revenue. I don't endorse abuses of the military clause by landlords (I know it happens), but both parties should be clear on what the minutiae of the agreement entails. Sometimes circumstances (like short notice orders) deal you a sh!tty hand, but you shouldn't expect the landlords to just eat it because you're in the military. They're already doing you a huge favor by including a military clause in the first place, even though it's often required by law. [/rant]

Brett
 

Steve Wilkins

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I've never really had any problems to speak of due to the military clause and breaking the lease. I've always given my landlords plenty of heads-up of when I should be expecting written orders. So long as I have written orders a couple months out from moving, I give them written notice with a copy of my orders. Of course, I let them know up front when I sign the lease that I'm smarter than they are and if they try to fvck me, I'll fvck them back harder. Funny, never had a problem. :D
 

FMRAM

Combating TIP training AGAIN?!
They'll still find a way to f#ck you. I got my orders 20 days before I was supposed to be in Oceana... they only returned half my deposit because the military clause said I had to give them 30 days notice... all sorts of stories on how they find loopholes in that.

Sometimes landlords will have "their own" military clause document that will tend to be stacked in their favor. Go down to navy legal (on base) and pick up their military clause document, which in my experience will be more beneficial to the service member.
 

Fezz CB

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TurnandBurn55 said:
They'll still find a way to f#ck you. I got my orders 20 days before I was supposed to be in Oceana... they only returned half my deposit because the military clause said I had to give them 30 days notice... all sorts of stories on how they find loopholes in that.

I thought the Rhino RAG was in Lemoore? Where do they tend to send the majority of FOs for Supers? Can you put a request for which coast?
 

pittflyer

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Also to recoop your deposit loss/early contract termination for cable/phone/ and all other moving etc., that it is what DLA is for in my mind. It helps me justify the loss of cash and helps easy the pain of cash loss military association.
 

gregsivers

damn homeowners' associations
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pittflyer said:
Also to recoop your deposit loss/early contract termination for cable/phone/ and all other moving etc., that it is what DLA is for in my mind. It helps me justify the loss of cash and helps easy the pain of cash loss military association.

Who have you been dealing with? Anytime I canceled cable, phone or trash I got a refund cause I'd already paid for that month. And thats in 3 different cities now.
 

IRfly

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No more military clause...

There's no longer any need for a military clause, although I'm sure that you'll still find it in outdated lease agreements. In 2003 the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act became federal law, and in that law it allows for termination of a lease for any PCS orders or for orders of deployment for more than ninety days. There are, of course, attendant clauses dealing with giving notice and things like that. You can find the text of the relevant section, 305, here:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/sscra/l/blscra305.htm

I would advise printing out the text and sending it in with the copy of your orders, simply because it seems that most landlords and property managers don't know about it.
 

mules83

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One of the first questions I asked was about the military clause. The people at the apartment complex hear that question everytime and she had a sheet on top of her pile to show me instantly. It stated what was said above and the only thing she asked out of me was to tell her as soon as I heard about new orders.
 

Brett327

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IRfly said:
There's no longer any need for a military clause, although I'm sure that you'll still find it in outdated lease agreements. In 2003 the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act became federal law, and in that law it allows for termination of a lease for any PCS orders or for orders of deployment for more than ninety days. There are, of course, attendant clauses dealing with giving notice and things like that. You can find the text of the relevant section, 305, here:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/sscra/l/blscra305.htm

I would advise printing out the text and sending it in with the copy of your orders, simply because it seems that most landlords and property managers don't know about it.
Be that as it may, it's a lot easier to deal with a problem if the appropriate verbiage is spelled out in the rental agreement, which is a contract, and agreed to by both parties. The alternative could involve attorneys and long delays, especially if a less than well informed landlord decides to fight you on it. Having a law (SCRA) on the books doesn't render obsolete the rental agreement military clause, it just provides the legal backing and legitimacy for them. I wouldn't sign a lease, nor have one of my tenants sign one without it.

Brett
 

Steve Wilkins

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Brett327 said:
Be that as it may, it's a lot easier to deal with a problem if the appropriate verbiage is spelled out in the rental agreement, which is a contract, and agreed to by both parties. The alternative could involve attorneys and long delays, especially if a less than well informed landlord decides to fight you on it. Having a law (SCRA) on the books doesn't render obsolete the rental agreement military clause, it just provides the legal backing and legitimacy for them. I wouldn't sign a lease, nor have one of my tenants sign one without it.

Brett
Concur. Make sure it's in the lease. Part of solving problems is avoiding them to begin with.
 
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