CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[taxi1]

Thus not baseless claim.

Even the prior POTUS' lawyers knew it was bullshit.

In March, Powell motioned to dismiss Dominion's lawsuit, arguing that no "reasonable person" would take her claims literally.

 

[nodropinufaka]

The "hood", aka the poverty plantation, is the exclusive domain of of one political party & their ideology.

You do realize there are tons of low income areas filled with Whites across Appalachia and the South led by Republicans right?

It is definitely not exclusive to one party and is a mechanism that results in more then a few things and isn't easily explained.

 

[HSMPBR]

I highly recommend Robert Putnam’s (Harvard political scientist) Our Kids. It visits uncomfortable stereotypes, combines anecdotes and (social) scientific evidence, and discusses upward mobility across race and class. The case study of Santa Ana County schools taught me a lot. In the end, it’s mostly on the family unit along with our decaying civic and social lives.

 

[grodonfreeman]

You do realize there are tons of low income areas filled with Whites across Appalachia and the South led by Republicans right?

Oh, the Republican establishment is not blameless. They love H1B & cheap labor. Big money donations in that. They also love the power & corruption they get from big government.

Ya, institutional oppression hurts everyone. I see as oppression as the denial of Liberty & the pursuit of happiness. Mass migration hurts Americans everywhere -especially the poor. Abortion tears at every human soul. The welfare state destroys the fabric of families. No American should live with violent crime. And the gobal plutocracy is wiping out the American the middle class.

If you truly care, put criminal violence in prison. See to it Americans get jobs -before migrants or H1B workers. And respect the sanctity of human life. Promote freedom and individualism. Sorry if I upset you, but the blessings of Liberty are exclusive to free people, not the slaves of Socialist tyranny.

OTH, traditional liberals have good ideas. Like I am very pro union -if that's what workers want. I don't mind social programs as long as we pay for them & they don't come at the expense of freedom.

See, what I want is the Democrat Party of my Grandpa. The Party of JFK. They were union men. They were anti-Communist soldiers. They took responsibility for themselves & their families. They were patriots & protectionists. They were giving & reverent. They weren't perfect, but they were never guilty either. Thus I bear no guilt for wanting to make America great again. For all Americans & our posterity.

 

[grodonfreeman]

Nice try.

I was responding to Spekkio's assertion Trump's claims were heard in several lower courts & found baseless. Which is not true. Here is the reference which covers all Trump/GOP filings & results. http://wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm

I also agreed with Justice Thomas that SCOTUS should have heard Trump's case. All Thomas wanted to do was deal with election rules and they should have. His rationale is that he wants to preserve public faith in future elections. Now, future elections under a cloud because SCOTUS failed to act.

Thomas said in dissent, “If state officials have the authority they have claimed, we need to make it clear. If not, we need to put an end to this practice now before the consequences become catastrophic.”

In closing Thomas wrote: "One wonders what this Court waits for. We failed to settle this dispute before the election, and thus provide clear rules. Now we again fail to provide clear rules for future elections."

 

[Spekkio]

See, what I want is the Democrat Party of my Grandpa. The Party of JFK. They were union men. They were anti-Communist soldiers. They took responsibility for themselves & their families. They were patriots & protectionists. They were giving & reverent. They weren't perfect, but they were never guilty either. Thus I bear no guilt for wanting to make America great again. For all Americans & our posterity.

We have one as the sitting President. He also vehemently opposed desegregation, like most of the members of his party of the day.

 

[Spekkio]

You do realize there are tons of low income areas filled with Whites across Appalachia and the South led by Republicans right?

It is definitely not exclusive to one party and is a mechanism that results in more then a few things and isn't easily explained.

Except when the poor people are brown skinned - then it's obviously explained by systemic racism.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Except when the poor people are brown skinned - then it's obviously explained by systemic racism.

you do realize that systemic racism isn’t just referring to people as being poor?

 

[Flash]

Anyway, the first forensic examination is finishing up in Arizona. They're examining the ballots, the machines & the counts. And, they're doing it in a way that can stand up in court. If the election was clean, Trump is finished. If the election was dirty, Biden is illegitimate.

This is the stupidest thing I've read on this website in years, you can start fixing yourself by studying Constitution that you plan to/have (?) taken an oath to defend.

 

[Flash]

There are so many strawman arguments in this post that it's literally impossible to reply to. Congratulations, you managed to pervert and manipulate just about everything I said.

I don't think I did, especially after reading your subsequent posts.

Congress is LEADERSHIP (a term you must have heard at least once by now) and when 10s of millions of people think there was fraud in the election they have a duty to ensure to those people that it wasn't by providing proof. I NEVER said they needed to do it THAT DAY. They had 2 months to allow recounts and audits but instead they dismissed people's concerns and went to court to sue in order to prevent any kind of transparency from happening. It doesn't matter in the tiniest bit whether it was true or not at the time. All that matters is that voters in this country have faith in the outcome of the election and get the necessary reassurance such that democracy, and our republic, can function as intended. When people lose that faith in the system, things like this are going to happen. Spend a few weeks in just about any history class and that outcome would've been obvious to you. So like I said, I was pretty unsurprised when it happened after watching how much Democrats and RINOs tried desperately to dismiss and Sue their way out of transparency.

The transparency you demand already happened. The recounts that were required occurred and every state's election were certified per the proper legal process.

The federal government, to include Congress, has no role in administering elections in the United States. There are plenty of federal laws that govern the conduct of elections, to include Constitutional Amendments, but the role of administering elections is left to the states. The federal government can and does investigate election malfeasance when it comes to those election laws but has zero role in any part of administering elections in this country.

@RandomGoat1248 already pointed it out that all the legally required audits, reviews and recounts were all done prior the legally required deadlines in December last year. All of those, across all 50 states, found virtually no malfeasance occurred in the election. The federal government, particularly the Department of Justice, did not get involved because they were in the words of the the last administration's last Attorney General, "We realized from the beginning it was just bullshit".

On a practical level there were no mechanisms, infrastructure or even a vague idea of how some sort of 'recount/s' would be done by the federal government or by Congress itself. None. Kind of a big problem when you are demanding some sort of 'recount' in just 14 days.

Without a single shred of credible evidence of any sort of election malfeasance Congress had no 'duty' to do anything other than their actual Constitutional duty. Even Congress can't fix that kind of stupid.

 

[wink]

The federal government, to include Congress, has no role in administering elections in the United States.

Tell that to House Democrats.

 

[squorch2]

Tell that to House Democrats.

That's how things change - laws get passed.

 

[Flash]

Tell that to House Democrats.

They weren't the ones who proposed a 'recount' among other dim ideas before and during the certification of the electors by Congress on January 6th. Additionally, nothing I saw in the Democratic voting law proposals takes the administration of elections from the states but would create additional laws like Congress has done numerous times in the past.

Nice try though.

 

[wink]

They weren't the ones who proposed a 'recount' among other dim ideas before and during the certification of the electors by Congress on January 6th. Additionally, nothing I saw in the Democratic voting law proposals takes the administration of elections from the states but would create additional laws like Congress has done numerous times in the past.

Nice try though.

Yes it does. Mail in and absentee voting. Voter ID as well, IIRC.

 

[wink]

That's how things change - laws get passed.

Well, duh. Point being, Flash argued that the Feds have no business in election administration. That is not demonstrated by DEM party rhetoric or even House bills.