CMV-22B Osprey Rollout

[Ventus]

Yup

Are there many/any helos that can fly in icing conditions?

Idk if any Marine pilots can speak more to this, but back when I deployed on Special MAGTF with a VMM squadron, I had to forecast for alternate flight paths to specifically avoid icing because at the time (2017-2018) there was an issue where if you attempted to use anti-ice....it would catch fire...

Mix of both. Usually on the CVN for transits and then shore basing when feasible.

Does anyone know how the logistics of this will work? I imagine before, you wouldn't need a det organic to the carrier for the C-2 because of parts commonality with the E-2 squadrons (ex. if you needed an engine swap). But now that they're switching airframes, doesn't that mean a whole lot of extra space allocated to spare parts/maintainers is needed aboard ship? Or will some squadrons just have to be cross trained?

Not sure how the COD squadrons worked in terms of moving all of their personnel/parts/equipment with the carrier or to their shore bases.

Additionally, a few of my flight deck buddies said something to the effect that when Ospreys land, it stops all other traffic in the lineup and that the Air Bosses want the Ospreys gone ASAP. Drop their stuff and leave because it's a big hassle to move, ie. wings cant fold and move under its own power like the E-2/C-2 can. Is there any truth to this?

 

[HSMPBR]

there was an issue where if you attempted to use anti-ice....it would catch fire...

Sounds like great anti-ice to me

 

[Hopeful Hoya]

Does anyone know how the logistics of this will work? I imagine before, you wouldn't need a det organic to the carrier for the C-2 because of parts commonality with the E-2 squadrons (ex. if you needed an engine swap). But now that they're switching airframes, doesn't that mean a whole lot of extra space allocated to spare parts/maintainers is needed aboard ship? Or will some squadrons just have to be cross trained?

Not sure how the COD squadrons worked in terms of moving all of their personnel/parts/equipment with the carrier or to their shore bases.

Additionally, a few of my flight deck buddies said something to the effect that when Ospreys land, it stops all other traffic in the lineup and that the Air Bosses want the Ospreys gone ASAP. Drop their stuff and leave because it's a big hassle to move, ie. wings cant fold and move under its own power like the E-2/C-2 can. Is there any truth to this?

Not sure about the logistics side of things.

Over the course of our work ups and deployment, the deck got a lot better at managing the Osprey. Normal ops had the Osprey marshaling at the top of the stack (Case 1), commencing and landing last, unloading pax/cargo, reloading the offgoing pax/cargo, and then taking off before the next event’s launch.

There were some hiccups, mainly things like the Osprey breaking down in the LA and delaying the next launch and recovery, but generally things seemed to go pretty smoothly, and I imagine it will continue to get better as the community builds boat experience.

 

[HSMPBR]

Not sure about the logistics side of things.

Over the course of our work ups and deployment, the deck got a lot better at managing the Osprey. Normal ops had the Osprey marshaling at the top of the stack (Case 1), commencing and landing last, unloading pax/cargo, reloading the offgoing pax/cargo, and then taking off before the next event’s launch.

There were some hiccups, mainly things like the Osprey breaking down in the LA and delaying the next launch and recovery, but generally things seemed to go pretty smoothly, and I imagine it will continue to get better as the community builds boat experience.

I think VRM took a lot of HSC folks so that they could retain that corporate knowledge of how to operate on the carrier deck while not being wanted there.

 

[phrogdriver]

Sounds like great anti-ice to me

Except that’s not even close to what happens.

It doesn’t “catch fire.”

Worst case, it causes a burned blade, typically on the preflight test. By “burned,” I mean damaged skin, not ablaze. You may have to replace a blade, but that’s a far cry from “catching fire.”

 

[taxi1]

Except that’s not even close to what happens.

It doesn’t “catch fire.”

Worst case, it causes a burned blade, typically on the preflight test. By “burned,” I mean damaged skin, not ablaze. You may have to replace a blade, but that’s a far cry from “catching fire.”

I liked it better when it caught fire

 

[Griz882]

I liked it better when it caught fire

Well…”Flaming Blades of Death” would make for a pretty cool squadron patch.

 

[phrogdriver]

Idk if any Marine pilots can speak more to this, but back when I deployed on Special MAGTF with a VMM squadron, I had to forecast for alternate flight paths to specifically avoid icing because at the time (2017-2018) there was an issue where if you attempted to use anti-ice....it would catch fire...



Does anyone know how the logistics of this will work? I imagine before, you wouldn't need a det organic to the carrier for the C-2 because of parts commonality with the E-2 squadrons (ex. if you needed an engine swap). But now that they're switching airframes, doesn't that mean a whole lot of extra space allocated to spare parts/maintainers is needed aboard ship? Or will some squadrons just have to be cross trained?

Not sure how the COD squadrons worked in terms of moving all of their personnel/parts/equipment with the carrier or to their shore bases.

Additionally, a few of my flight deck buddies said something to the effect that when Ospreys land, it stops all other traffic in the lineup and that the Air Bosses want the Ospreys gone ASAP. Drop their stuff and leave because it's a big hassle to move, ie. wings cant fold and move under its own power like the E-2/C-2 can. Is there any truth to this?

I addressed the false statement about "catching fire" already. If the squadron MAINTAINS the IPS, it works fine. If you wait 6 months and then turn it on, then yes, problems ensue.

As for taxiing, the V-22 can taxi on an LHA/LHD, so it can certainly taxi on a CVN. It obviously can't fold while turning, so that does limit options for unloading cargo clear of the landing area, though they do have that special roll-off container to help.

Just heard N98 talk about the first deployment. He seems happy with it.

 

[Ventus]

So coincidentally, we were just visited by Commander of Naval Air Forces Atlantic and I was able to ask this question.

Specifically the part about how the CMV-22s would be organized and if new dets would need to be organic to the carrier, etc. Long story short, big Navy hasn't figured it out yet. They're experimenting with different configurations with what the fleet currently has, which isnt very many delivered aircraft to begin with. I believe his exact words were "The answer to your question will be forthcoming."

 

[kmac]

So coincidentally, we were just visited by Commander of Naval Air Forces Atlantic and I was able to ask this question.

Specifically the part about how the CMV-22s would be organized and if new dets would need to be organic to the carrier, etc. Long story short, big Navy hasn't figured it out yet. They're experimenting with different configurations with what the fleet currently has, which isnt very many delivered aircraft to begin with. I believe his exact words were "The answer to your question will be forthcoming."

Haven’t figured out how they would be organized? There is already a squadron and a wing. I’m a little confused as to what the current discussion would entail. The only off-the-wall idea we considered was to have dets report to a numbered fleet rather than the CSG. The idea was that the fleet logistics staff could prioritize the use of the -22s for CVNs or amphibs or…

 

[insanebikerboy]

It’ll be interesting to see what happens when the Osprey breaks on the beach. I’ve never been involved with the C-2 so I can’t directly compare rates but in the AF Ospreys doesn’t have the greatest aircraft availability rates. Plus, from talking to some CV-22 mechs, they aren’t the easiest things to fix.

 

[SynixMan]

It’ll be interesting to see what happens when the Osprey breaks on the beach. I’ve never been involved with the C-2 so I can’t directly compare rates but in the AF Ospreys doesn’t have the greatest aircraft availability rates. Plus, from talking to some CV-22 mechs, they aren’t the easiest things to fix.

I mean C-2s have been doing this for decades...? Beach Det followed the ship around the strategic logistics bases. What the PUK needs to be I imagine some 10lb brain folks have thought it up.

 

[insanebikerboy]

I mean C-2s have been doing this for decades...? Beach Det followed the ship around the strategic logistics bases. What the PUK needs to be I imagine some 10lb brain folks have thought it up.

My point is that rotary platforms tend to break more often and in much more unique ways than fixed wing platforms. They can also be much more of a pain in the ass to get into an up status. I don’t envy the dets trying to keep the plopters up.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Do these improvments get back-fitted to entire MV-22/CV-22/CMV-22 fleet?

Osprey Major Redesign Effort: Modified CV-22s Arrive at Cannon Air Force Base - Second Line of Defense

According to the USAF: “U.S. Air Force Airmen assigned to the 20th Special Operations Squadron familiarize themselves with the new nacelle improvement modifications on a CV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft at Cannon Air Force Base, N.M., Jan. 7, 2022. “The improvements should increase aircraft...

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[phrogdriver]

Do these improvments get back-fitted to entire MV-22/CV-22/CMV-22 fleet?

Osprey Major Redesign Effort: Modified CV-22s Arrive at Cannon Air Force Base - Second Line of Defense

According to the USAF: “U.S. Air Force Airmen assigned to the 20th Special Operations Squadron familiarize themselves with the new nacelle improvement modifications on a CV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft at Cannon Air Force Base, N.M., Jan. 7, 2022. “The improvements should increase aircraft...

sldinfo.com

Big deal, yes. Nacelle improvement will greatly improve readiness. I think “major redesign effort” is a misleading description, though. Makes it sound like a whole different aircraft is coming out.