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Articuno

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If they wind up hopping on board the SV-22 idea for carrier borne ASW, think they will need NFOs onboard or go the Romeo route?
 
IRfly

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Brett327 said:
As a dedicated CVW ASW platform, or as a -60 replacement?
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For the V-247, definitely as a CVW ASW platform, but also as a land- and DDG-based ASW platform. Could have the same group of dudes in a building in San Dog handing off prosecutions to each other from one asset to another. I know we have a lot of money invested in the P-8 program, but in thirty years airborne ASW could be one platform to rule them all.

Besides ASW, can't say whether V-280 can take over the entire -60 mission set, but certainly can do SSC, transport, probably planeguard and vertrep? I don't think the -280 folds up as neatly as the -247, either. Or the -60. But I think that the range/speed/endurance combination will just outclass the -60s to the point that we'll re-think our CONOPs to get the platform in.

And there might be something in it for the helo bubbas, too--will tiltrotor time count as fixed-wing time when they go to the airlines?
 
IKE

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IRfly said:
For the V-247, definitely as a CVW ASW platform, but also as a land- and DDG-based ASW platform. Could have the same group of dudes in a building in San Dog handing off prosecutions to each other from one asset to another. I know we have a lot of money invested in the P-8 program, but in thirty years airborne ASW could be one platform to rule them all.

Besides ASW, can't say whether V-280 can take over the entire -60 mission set, but certainly can do SSC, transport, probably planeguard and vertrep? I don't think the -280 folds up as neatly as the -247, either. Or the -60. But I think that the range/speed/endurance combination will just outclass the -60s to the point that we'll re-think our CONOPs to get the platform in.

And there might be something in it for the helo bubbas, too--will tiltrotor time count as fixed-wing time when they go to the airlines?
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Would love to know where this gouge is coming from.

I don't work in The building, but in my building (acquisitions and engineering), most of the FVL talk centers on a Seahawks 2.0 idea.

I'll give you SSC/MISR and LOG* for the range/endurance capes of tiltrotor.

LOG is an asterisk for the same reason I won't give you SAR: downwash is real. I'm not too sure about having folks under a V-280 or similar to hook up a VERTREP load, especially as the helo approaches. The baby-sized rotors lead to much higher downwash velocities for similar thrust/weight.

I'm not sure about ASW either. I know there's this desire to do AOR-wide ASW from a single platform, but hover efficiency isn't there for tiltrotors, so you're putting all your eggs in a different, possibly exotic sensor basket.

Lastly, no current tiltrotor of appreciable size is going on a CRUDES, so the Navy would also have to be willing to lose the awesome high availability we've enjoyed by having so much commonality between 60B/F/H/R/S for decades.

My $0.02
 
IRfly

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IKE said:
Would love to know where this gouge is coming from.

I don't work in The building, but in my building (acquisitions and engineering), most of the FVL talk centers on a Seahawks 2.0 idea.

I'll give you SSC/MISR and LOG* for the range/endurance capes of tiltrotor.

LOG is an asterisk for the same reason I won't give you SAR: downwash is real. I'm not too sure about having folks under a V-280 or similar to hook up a VERTREP load, especially as the helo approaches. The baby-sized rotors lead to much higher downwash velocities for similar thrust/weight.

I'm not sure about ASW either. I know there's this desire to do AOR-wide ASW from a single platform, but hover efficiency isn't there for tiltrotors, so you're putting all your eggs in a different, possibly exotic sensor basket.

Lastly, no current tiltrotor of appreciable size is going on a CRUDES, so the Navy would also have to be willing to lose the awesome high availability we've enjoyed by having so much commonality between 60B/F/H/R/S for decades.

My $0.02
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I wouldn't call it gouge. Just wild-eyed thoughts of a platform that can fly out to a datum at 200+ ktas and then drop a dipping sonar and stay onstation for a few hours. You would know more about hover efficiency and whether it would work for a dipper. If it's a problem that can't be solved, then I'm wrong.
 
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sevenhelmet

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IKE said:
Would love to know where this gouge is coming from.

I don't work in The building, but in my building (acquisitions and engineering), most of the FVL talk centers on a Seahawks 2.0 idea.

I'll give you SSC/MISR and LOG* for the range/endurance capes of tiltrotor.

LOG is an asterisk for the same reason I won't give you SAR: downwash is real. I'm not too sure about having folks under a V-280 or similar to hook up a VERTREP load, especially as the helo approaches. The baby-sized rotors lead to much higher downwash velocities for similar thrust/weight.

I'm not sure about ASW either. I know there's this desire to do AOR-wide ASW from a single platform, but hover efficiency isn't there for tiltrotors, so you're putting all your eggs in a different, possibly exotic sensor basket.

Lastly, no current tiltrotor of appreciable size is going on a CRUDES, so the Navy would also have to be willing to lose the awesome high availability we've enjoyed by having so much commonality between 60B/F/H/R/S for decades.

My $0.02
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At this point, so much centers around aircraft size and design, why not build the SH-60T and call it a low-cost, low-risk technical solution?
 
hscs

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IRfly said:
I wouldn't call it gouge. Just wild-eyed thoughts of a platform that can fly out to a datum at 200+ ktas and then drop a dipping sonar and stay onstation for a few hours. You would know more about hover efficiency and whether it would work for a dipper. If it's a problem that can't be solved, then I'm wrong.
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VTOL S-3 could do it. And then we could also have the AEW and COD versions, too.

Think of the airframe commonality!

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