Disagree. Watch SECNAV's presser today and I think you'll have a better understanding of why Crozier was fired.
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CO of USS Theodore Roosevelt makes quite the statement.
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Why am I not surprised...
Eh, I watched the presser. It wasn't all that illuminating.
Do you understand why he was relieved?
Affirm. He CC'd some people on his email that he probably shouldn't have. Unless you know something more about the situation than was given out in the presser. Probably people like skippers of the squadrons, his staff that prepared the memo, CO's of other boats in the strike group etc would be my best guess; SECNAV didn't want to elaborate. Definitely something worthy of some sort of informal reprimand/ass-chewing; not in my opinion worth relief.
I've not been a CO, never will be, and thank god. I've seen enough decisions made regardless of the career implications, and enough made because of them. Bravo to those that make them regardless if they have their people at heart.
All that said, if he did actually leak it then the SECNAV should have said as much instead of alluding to it and then backing down.
I've not been a CO, never will be, and thank god. I've seen enough decisions made regardless of the career implications, and enough made because of them. Bravo to those that make them regardless if they have their people at heart.
All that said, if he did actually leak it then the SECNAV should have said as much instead of alluding to it and then backing down.
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Expound please? I didn’t see it. And I don’t read between the lines very well.
See my posts in the COVID thread in PNA.
I mean, I read that too. And not bringing that into this, but the presser itself was not all that illuminating was my original point.
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Well, much higher personnell suffered from usage of public email or other commercial comms. VADM Moran as an example.
Navy is a coproration. Everyone is forbedden to break the corporate rules and one of the oldest copr tenets is "don't violate communication protocols".
Yet it seems to me that Capt Crozier, who'd been an RW 1310 once, has been right in his decision. Suppose he possessed full support from XO, a helo bubba too. RW guys are more inclined to place in heart the people they're in charge of than the tactical things. Thus Croizer probably lost his career but not the position of his crew in a battle for health.
Neglect to COVID is a way to pay the biggest price. I see it in BY capital's offices full of fever'd people. With neigbourgh Russia and Ukraine being fully closed and carantined, my stupid government allows people to endure the Corona on their feet.
Navy is a coproration. Everyone is forbedden to break the corporate rules and one of the oldest copr tenets is "don't violate communication protocols".
Yet it seems to me that Capt Crozier, who'd been an RW 1310 once, has been right in his decision. Suppose he possessed full support from XO, a helo bubba too. RW guys are more inclined to place in heart the people they're in charge of than the tactical things. Thus Croizer probably lost his career but not the position of his crew in a battle for health.
Neglect to COVID is a way to pay the biggest price. I see it in BY capital's offices full of fever'd people. With neigbourgh Russia and Ukraine being fully closed and carantined, my stupid government allows people to endure the Corona on their feet.
You're right, I am assuming that. Occam's razor. It's hard to fathom that the spread of COVID on TR is from some tech rep or PCS guy that COD'd-on; nothing to do with 5,000 people going ashore in Vietnam earlier this month...
Could it be both? Of course. But your post has an air of "spin." Surely you can agree that the decision to proceed with the Vietnam PVST was a mistake.
I disagree with you. Strategically, it has been of unbelievable importance to get a big deck, let alone any ship into Vietnam. There's a reason why a 4 Star went there with the ship. With the restrictions there are with getting in there, and how many times we've had to cancel on them for (name-a-reason) it was looking like we were blowing them off repeatedly though that was never the intent. 7th Fleet AOR is a TSC field of landmines and trying to repair some relationships, get new relationships, and maintain others is a delicate balance. At the time they pulled in, Vietnam had no known cases and we had high confidence in their reporting. By the time they left, Western tourists had introduced it, and we (Navy + Gov of VNM) traced it very specifically to the individuals who could have even remotely come into contact with the tourists and recommended action. Then the known first cases pop up at the within hours of the end of the normal incubation period assuming the virus came on board the second the ship got underway. This is where I start getting into stuff I cannot disclose here, so I won't.
Edit: One more thing - the environment around COVID at the time in the West was fairly lax. We had been putting on tight controls throughout the fleet already, but keep in mind, as a Government, the thoughts were only beginning to get spun up that it could be a threat to Americans.
Charles Edward
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Was Crozier basically fired because he circumvented the chain of command when it came to expressing his concerns about COVID-19?
On another point, considering that carrier COs are aviators, who actually drives the ship? Are carrier COs the only ship COs in the navy who are no actually trained as ship drivers?
Thanks.
On another point, considering that carrier COs are aviators, who actually drives the ship? Are carrier COs the only ship COs in the navy who are no actually trained as ship drivers?
Thanks.
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Carriers are conned by themselves, this is one of AW top secrets. Beware to spread it since no one will believe
Actually, all COs of the carriers had a year and a half in command of USNS ship no related to aviation with half-civilian crew and this is enough to obtain some skills you're evidently looking for. But most important - one of the carrier's DH, a Reactor Officer, is an experienced shipdriver with permanent nuclear training (Rickover's breed is better suit the word "education") fresh from his\her command tour of a DDG. Some of the carrier's SWOs (no less than 40+ aboard ) are qualified as OOD, too. And of course escorting DesRon Commodore, a shipdriver too, is on board. Thus, if the carrier CO gets in some question as to how to drive his ship, he has a lot of advisers. But since only highly motivated people are allowed to command the carriers, they all have enough brain&brilliancy to know how to cope with this job.