Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
BTW here's the word CAPT Crozier secured with COV-19 himself. Right?
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CO of USS Theodore Roosevelt makes quite the statement.
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Can some carrier experienced person explain why TR CO did not simply walk over the CSG Flag and have a chat? Or, did this happen?
FormerRecruitingGuru
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Carriers are conned by themselves, this is one of AW top secrets. Beware to spread it since no one will believe
Actually, all COs of the carriers had a year and a half in command of USNS ship no related to aviation with half-civilian crew and this is enough to obtain some skills you're evidently looking for. But most important - one of the carrier's DH, a Reactor Officer, is an experienced shipdriver with permanent nuclear training (Rickover's breed is better suit the word "education") fresh from his\her command tour of a DDG. Some of the carrier's SWOs (no less than 40+ aboard ) are qualified as OOD, too. And of course escorting DesRon Commodore, a shipdriver too, is on board. Thus, if the carrier CO gets in some question as to how to drive his ship, he has a lot of advisers. But since only highly motivated people are allowed to command the carriers, they all have enough brain&brilliancy to know how to cope with this job.
"In Soviet Russia, CVN drives you!"
exNavyOffRec
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In what I read the CSG didn't know about the email until it was sent, considering the sailors this concerned were not just ships company, but also airwing, CSG, and other personnel I am quite surprised he didn't walk over, knock on the CSG door and go "hey got a minute".
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...etary-blasting-ousted-uss-roosevelt-commander
Saw this this morning.
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Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Isn't is strange one older ring-knocker and former RW pilot chews the younger ring-knocker and former RW pilot for inadequate decision in a situation the former neither faced nor could face since he didn't get O-4 while the latter is O-6 and in command of 5000? Afraid I will never understand the democratic tenets of "civilian control over military" properly enough to take the Modly's side... to a degree, it's hard to depress the feeling that acting SecNav betrays his own roots.
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Max, here is some insight into that concept for us. It's a cultural belief... it's something that just is. Maybe this story, from the time of our country's birth, will help explain it:
Newburgh Conspiracy - Wikipedia
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Thanks a lot, will learn more about it. But the wise maneuvering around by both sides of this conflict reveals the core desire to make a compromise, that is probably the most respected feature of American democracy. In our case there's the case too, but this one was filled with blood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_of_Trotskyist_Anti-Soviet_Military_Organization
Look, in both cases the coup d'etat at least could be considered. Yes a lot of historians with access to political archives state that Tukhachevsky had really planned a military mutiny with sequent establishment of junta and opening the country economically which in turn might either defeat then-friendly tuned Hitler or, oppositely, made him more strong by the German-Soviet miliraty union. We'll never know.
But this time I can't see something like mutiny let alone coup d'etat - a CO tried to defend his crew from danger he might neither elimitate nor restrict by any means in his hands. He found the way to do that and this way is beyond the rules but not beyond the laws. What's next? Court just to decide who's wrong?
May not have known about the incoming email, but I'd guess for damn sure he knew what the CO's thoughts were. We're all playing armchair QB here with little facts, but I'd guess if I had to that the the CO wasn't being told enough and that's why he sent the email. And that's IF everything was really already in the works as stated. Communication breakdowns can be a real bitch.
He was probably inadvertently on the wrong River City group...
exNavyOffRec
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They are quite often a factor in whatever has gone wrong, I can't think of a critique (that is what us nukes go through when something doesn't go as planned) I was in where "breakdown in comms" wasn't a contributing factor.
Similar to us aviation folks; Comms is one of the seven CRM skills and almost always is an easy one to point to in most mishaps/hazreps. That said, this wasn't either of those, and is moreso a breakdown in comms up (or down) the chain of command... My guess is down but again I don't know all the facts and am happy to admit as much! Seen enough "shut up and color", although not specifically to myself, to take the side of the relieved CO until facts prove me wrong. Big Navy earned that mistrust (from me at least) back when they relieved CAPT Honors... And multiple others throughout my time. And has yet to earn it back, regardless of who is sitting in the chair.
Ah, mine goes back to Tailhook. I know what you mean.
Just listened to the acting SecNav speach, what a douche!
Here's the audio for the speech: