Command at Sea: What’s Love Got to Do with It?
The USS Theodore Roosevelt case and how Americans, including veterans, reacted shows an alarming trend in military discipline and command responsibility.
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CO of USS Theodore Roosevelt makes quite the statement.
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Old man yells at cloud.Command at Sea: What’s Love Got to Do with It?
The USS Theodore Roosevelt case and how Americans, including veterans, reacted shows an alarming trend in military discipline and command responsibility.www.usni.org
here’s the article summed up “god damned millennials and their lack of discipline”
Did you read the article?
Your summary completely misses the mark on both the tone and content of the article. I found it well-written and think it poses a few important questions.
My response to Jerry Hendrix’s post on Twitter about the article. :
Disagree with the tone of the article. CAPT Crozier stated in the letter that the TR was capable of mission accomplishment in the first paragraph. That has not changed. He offered a detailed risk analysis to leadership about the situation, devoid of emotion and was ready to act accordingly. For a Sailor on the mess decks it is hard to understand the nuance in the statement “mission first, people always.” CAPT Crozier’s letter was a concise summary of that mindset given the current conditions. That’s what the Sailors loved him for.
Disagree with the tone of the article. CAPT Crozier stated in the letter that the TR was capable of mission accomplishment in the first paragraph. That has not changed. He offered a detailed risk analysis to leadership about the situation, devoid of emotion and was ready to act accordingly. For a Sailor on the mess decks it is hard to understand the nuance in the statement “mission first, people always.” CAPT Crozier’s letter was a concise summary of that mindset given the current conditions. That’s what the Sailors loved him for.
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Nothing I can’t stand more than people telling me how great of a leader they are.
I didnt want to hate the article because of his endorsement of it, but the article took care of that for itself. But Hendrix’s analysis of this situation has soured me even more to his views.
True, but Hendrix didn't write that article.
However, I think CAPT Toti isn't giving CAPT Crozier nearly enough credit, and is over dramatizing what happened, using the word "love" as a foundation for stating his case. Too much of a "harden the fuck up" armchair mindset that largely misses the point. An unprecedented situation demands an unprecedented response. CAPT Crozier had two recommendations for the USN, one of which was most decidedly not a "peacetime" recommendation.
How about criticism for the emotional, knee-jerk response of the now ex-Acting SECNAV? ?
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it’s like CRM class when the facilitator says “they were stupid, I wouldn’t have done this”
that creates two things-I’m better than them, and it can’t happen to me....when that’s exactly the problem...mishaps CAN happen to you, and saying they occurred only because the people involved were stupid completely misses the point of having CRM class. This is essentially what the author is doing here-saying he’s a better leader and never would’ve done that...well I’m guessing the number of times the author was faced with a similar circumstance is a big fat whopping zero.
I'm aware. I'm responding to Farva's post.
CAPT Toti and CAPT Crozier are products of their respective warfare communities.
CAPT Crozier is of the community where, if you are ferrying an aircraft across the flyover states and you encounter engine failure, you announce the emergency over open comms and put it down safely at the nearest airfield.
CAPT Toti is from the silent service where all comms are secure comms, entire crews have been lost to mishaps or war, and the causes of mishaps are rarely discussed in public, assuming the cause is even discovered.
Neither of them are 100% right or 100% wrong.
CAPT Crozier is of the community where, if you are ferrying an aircraft across the flyover states and you encounter engine failure, you announce the emergency over open comms and put it down safely at the nearest airfield.
CAPT Toti is from the silent service where all comms are secure comms, entire crews have been lost to mishaps or war, and the causes of mishaps are rarely discussed in public, assuming the cause is even discovered.
Neither of them are 100% right or 100% wrong.
Yeah, but only one of them was 100% there with 100% of the responsibility.