In general, I've observed that people are much more apt to be politically idealistic when it comes to other people's affairs and much less so when it's their turn to get bennies from the government, union, etc. Human nature, I reckon.
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commercial pilot shortage coming?
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Rarely if ever are things so black and white. And where I worked, although some pilots were obviously a bit better than others, we never had any "unsafe or bad" pilots to "protect." It just never happened! We all were pretty standardized as far as flying skills and performance.
I suppose if it did ever happen that we had someone so bad, we would refer the individual to our union's professional standards committee, get him removed from flying, find out why he was having problems, have the company provide extra training, etc. Just like one learns in the military, you are a team. You take care of your troops. You motivate and pull up the weakest link, and you leave no one behind or abandoned if at all possible.
Bottom line: In any dispute between two entities, it is always better to have someone with knowledge and expertise to represent you and protect your rights, rather than trying go it alone... regardless of whether you are in the right or wrong... and regardless if your rep. has to hold his nose while representing you too, I suppose.
I have never done union work. Years ago I did fly with our local domicile chair for a month and we had quite a few beers. While he didn't have to represent anyone that was a truly unsafe pilot, he did have to stand up for some guys that did or said really stupid things that in his opinion, needed to be spanked. He basicly agreed with the company. The union, however, has a fiduciary duty to represent every member and like Cat said, he held his nose. The way he reconciled it was to compare it to a criminal defense attorney representing someone they know is guilty. They do it to ensure the system is honest, fair and has integrity so the next guy, truly innocent, can take advantage of it.
There is a Professional Standards committee. they look at incident reports, training failures, etc. to monitor these types of situations and to try and work with the pilot to correct problems. At Hawaiian, It's rare, but there have been Pro-Standards recommendations at various airlines to let the company fire a pilot. At Hawaiian, there is one case in the eleven years I've been here that this has happened and it was well deserved. There have been two cases where Pro-Standards told a pilot to accept a medical retirement (valid reasons for the medical but could have been fixed) because they weren't going to fight for their jobs.
Top_Gun_101
Fly GA
No luck on the search tab but....Is it possible to join the Navy reserve as a pilot or nfo just like joining the AF reserve/ANG ?
I know there are some navy C-9 and C-130 reserve squadrons out there but i'm not sure if their flight crew went straight to the reserves after getting winged/patched. It would be a nice gig to fly in the airlines and be a C-9 or 130 weekend warrior especially with the inevitable pilot shortage
I think there historically have been guys on a very limited basis who have gone from flight school to VR, but that is not currently an option. You do flight school on the USN or USMC as an active duty officer and will have an 8 year active duty obligation starting the day you wing, plain and simple. We have no program such as the ANG does
Is it possible to join the Navy reserve as a pilot or nfo just like joining the AF reserve/ANG ?
I know there are some navy C-9 and C-130 reserve squadrons out there but i'm not sure if their flight crew went straight to the reserves after getting winged/patched. It would be a nice gig to fly in the airlines and be a C-9 or 130 weekend warrior especially with the inevitable pilot shortage
Nope. You have to have had some sort of military aviation undergrad training before they'll even look at you.
The one at the Regionals for shit pay...What hiring boom?
Is that anything like "AAA" Baseball…? You could get the phone call, yes?
I hear they use white balls for batting practice in the majors…
Except those guys aren't carrying your wife and kids at 39,000 feet.
Well, fuck shit…they carry my little pink butt just about fine. If it's good enough for me...
That $5k signing bonus email I got from AE really makes up for that low pay. Not.
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MasterBates
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Thats why I'm not flying for a job..
I can get by on poverty year wages at a,major. I can't even pay my student loans at a regional, nevermind eating or mortgage.
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I can get by on poverty year wages at a,major. I can't even pay my student loans at a regional, nevermind eating or mortgage.
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I can't imagine Retiring at 20 just to sign up for a job that you are on duty 16 hours a day and get paid pretty much minimum wage. Plus having to most likely commute. Sorry but I don't love flying that much.. Oh wait you are only on duty up to 15 hours now, well that's way better...