COVID-19

[Pags]

Only in theory.

I have three elementary school age children. All the Karens whined that their children got too much screen time and it was too hard to work with their own children. One of their teachers did a good job with this despite the whines. For the other two, work was cut down to about 2 hours a day. School is normally 6 hours long (taking out lunch).

My wife had to find home schooling materials to ensure they actually learned and finished their grade level math and science work and fill in the other 4 hours. The teachers couldn't be bothered to do more than post some materials on Sunday evening and make some 'hi how are you' videos every so often. Not even optional materials. And you can forget any effective education in art and music. The teachers were very obviously putting less than part time effort into education.

Other parents went the opposite way and didn't even make their kids do anything. Among the three grades there were about 1/4-1/3 of the children who finished all their assigned work. There's no accountability for that.

This is a district with normally a 7-8 elementary school score.

If they were in HS taking more advanced technical classes, we'd be screwed. If online education worked at a grade school level, the system would have shifted on its own before COVID.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Our experience for our kids sounds similar to yours. But I also get that teachers want to teach, don't want to get sick, distance learning isn't great and that they're left to balance those opposites.

My understanding is that a lot union contracts specifically prohibited distance ed prior to COVID.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278317632983367686

I think he’s on to something. Spain, Italy, UK all are remarkably similar

 

[SlickAg]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278317632983367686

I think he’s on to something. Spain, Italy, UK all are remarkably similar

Remember when the first seroprevalence studies came out and everyone discounted them because they said there’s NO POSSIBLE way that the numbers could be that high?

I’ve found him and Alex Berenson to be excellent follows.

Any other people you’ve found to be insightful on Twitter? I don’t follow this one but I found her comment to be interesting considering that the 1 billion dollar NYPD budget cut voted on yesterday will result in about 1,200 fewer police officers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278121258648047616

The same sort of budget cuts (amongst other decisions) that lead to decisions like reducing by 80% the psychological screening given to potential Minneapolis police officers. They were more concerned about diversity hires than mental suitability. For reference, the story below is from 2017.

Minneapolis police recruits get less psychological testing than they used to

The protocol is less rigorous than best practices nationally and the evaluator lacked the proper license. Police leaders are moving to replace him for another reason: They believe he screened out too many minority candidates.

www.apmreports.org

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Remember when the first seroprevalence studies came out and everyone discounted them because they said there’s NO POSSIBLE way that the numbers could be that high?

I’ve found him and Alex Berenson to be excellent follows.

Any other people you’ve found to be insightful on Twitter? I don’t follow this one but I found her comment to be interesting considering that the 1 billion dollar NYPD budget cut voted on yesterday will result in about 1,200 fewer police officers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278121258648047616

I don’t twitter, mainly I post stuff here that I see on another site. The bit I find interesting about the seroprevalence studies is how negative people were when they found so few people with antibodies in Sweden. See!?!? Herd immunity is still so far away! Well it’s pretty much over in Sweden, and clearly 70-80% seroprevalence isn’t necessary. In every hard hit area it has burned out well before that, with little regard to whether people “locked down” or not.

 

[SlickAg]

I don’t twitter, mainly I post stuff here that I see on another site. The bit I find interesting about the seroprevalence studies is how negative people were when they found so few people with antibodies in Sweden. See!?!? Herd immunity is still so far away! Well it’s pretty much over in Sweden, and clearly 70-80% seroprevalence isn’t necessary. In every hard hit area it has burned out well before that, with little regard to whether people “locked down” or not.

So I’m not a scientist, but I think the seroprevalence studies combined with the recent study that showed around 80-81% of people seen to have some sort of natural immunity to this, due to their T-cells and likely having had a coronavirus before, could be a HUGE finding if linked together properly. I’d like to think that’s why it doesn’t require “typical” herd immunity rates.

Unfortunately, it seems as though everyone is busy obsessing over case counts even though the death rates are continuing to drop.

Plug for twitter: I always avoided it like the plague and I have yet to make my first tweet, but it’s a fascinating way to gather information that you wouldn’t otherwise be able to see. The only reason I got it was because a few of my buddies would send me tweets and it was annoying as a non-user to see them sometimes. Pretty happy with my decision.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

So I’m not a scientist, but I think the seroprevalence studies combined with the recent study that showed around 80-81% of people seen to have some sort of natural immunity to this, due to their T-cells and likely having had a coronavirus before, could be a HUGE finding if linked together properly. I’d like to think that’s why it doesn’t require “typical” herd immunity rates.

Unfortunately, it seems as though everyone is busy obsessing over case counts even though the death rates are continuing to drop.

Plug for twitter: I always avoided it like the plague and I have yet to make my first tweet, but it’s a fascinating way to gather information that you wouldn’t otherwise be able to see. The only reason I got it was because a few of my buddies would send me tweets and it was annoying as a non-user to see them sometimes. Pretty happy with my decision.

Yeah, and that’s why I’m not terribly concerned with the case count right now. In Texas it’s mostly younger people who are much more likely to avoid getting seriously ill.

 

[Spekkio]

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Our experience for our kids sounds similar to yours. But I also get that teachers want to teach, don't want to get sick, distance learning isn't great and that they're left to balance those opposites.

McDonald's workers don't want to get sick and most don't care about serving anyone quality food...but they go to work anyway because if they don't, they'll be broke.

Teachers serve an essential function, and they launch publicity campaigns to constantly remind us of this. So implement precautions and go to work.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

McDonald's workers don't want to get sick and most don't care about serving anyone quality food...but they go to work anyway because if they don't, they'll be broke.

Teachers serve an essential function, and they launch publicity campaigns to constantly remind us of this. So implement precautions and go to work.

I keep hearing from the teachers I know that the precautions that are being required are overall unrealistic, more realistic for say high school students but when it comes to 5-8 year olds not so much. When I was reading the requirements I couldn't believe it was educators that came up with the document.

 

[Spekkio]

I keep hearing from the teachers I know that the precautions that are being required are overall unrealistic, more realistic for say high school students but when it comes to 5-8 year olds not so much. When I was reading the requirements I couldn't believe it was educators that came up with the document.

Yea, this is the natural belly aching to change. Every leader deals with it.

 

[taxi1]

I don’t twitter, mainly I post stuff here that I see on another site. The bit I find interesting about the seroprevalence studies is how negative people were when they found so few people with antibodies in Sweden. See!?!? Herd immunity is still so far away! Well it’s pretty much over in Sweden, and clearly 70-80% seroprevalence isn’t necessary. In every hard hit area it has burned out well before that, with little regard to whether people “locked down” or not.

The Spanish Flu in 1918 just kind of went away and never came back, without a vaccine and without infecting all of the country. I hope we will experience similar.

 

[nittany03]

The Spanish Flu in 1918 just kind of went away and never came back, without a vaccine and without infecting all of the country. I hope we will experience similar.

It's been endemic since . . . Spanish Flu is a variety of H1N1. You just get a flu shot for it now. Starting next year into the future, I bet we all get flu/COVID shots.

I do wonder if COVID will eventually morph into something less virulent . . . i.e. the strains that kill people don't spread because carriers die, but the strains that are asymptomatic or less-lethal end up spreading more because carriers live and give them to more people.

 

[SlickAg]

@SlickAgAnybody remember the miracle drug hydroxychloroquine?

Actually, yes, some people DO remember.

“Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, senior vice president and chief academic officer of the health system, said in a statement. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”

Hydroxychloroquine Lowers COVID-19 Death Rate, US Study Finds

m.theepochtimes.com

 

[taxi1]

Well that’s good news if true.

We just lost our first student, a 21 year old rising senior living here in town. Felt bad, passed away 10 days later. Right as we are figuring out how to bring 40,000 students back.

 

[JTS11]

Well I guess if the checks notes Epoch Times is reporting that Hydroxychloroquine is a legit treatment, then I'm sort of good with it. If you could back it up with some analysis from Clay Travis or a Joe Rogan podcast, I'd be sold.

Actually, yes, some people DO remember...

 

[SlickAg]

Well I guess if the checks notes Epoch Times is reporting that Hydroxychloroquine is a legit treatment, then I'm sort of good with it. If you could back it up with some analysis from Clay Travis or a Joe Rogan podcast, I'd be sold.

My god the hypocrisy: so unless the "mainstream media" is covering this study then this study has no merit?? The media is either a reliable source or it isn't, pick one.

Actually, your boy @Gonzo08 doesn't agree with your hot take. You two please get together and figure out which media sources are allowed and which ones are not. Thanks.

When you find a CNN or MSNBC article covering this, please let me know. In fact, let’s take this opportunity to see exactly how long it takes for them to run a story that doesn’t really mesh with their narrative.

But here you go, I found another source for you. It’s something called “The Detroit News”. Must be one of those pesky local operations. Interestingly, they ran a story three weeks ago about how the U of M’s health system has NOT been using HCQ. Boy, the ambulance chasers must be drooling right now. That link is posted below as well.

Henry Ford says their study found hydroxychloroquine helps lower COVID-19 death rate | FOX 2 Detroit

Doctors from Henry Ford say their study found the drug hydroxychloroquine helped lower their death rate of COVID-19 patients.

www.google.com

Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

Heads of the Michigan health system said Thursday the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients

www.google.com

Detroit area hospital systems lean against use of hydroxycholoroquine for COVID-19

Some Metro Detroit health systems have stopped using the drug touted by Trump

www.google.com

Edit: @Pags and @hdr777 I’ve mentioned you here too so you can pitch in to this fight about which references are considered “legitimate” or not. I saw that you liked @JTS11 ’s post so I figured you had a dog in the fight. For background on the first quote, I asked @Gonzo08 if there was another source other than an Australian one talking about masks or something and that was his response above.

Edit 2: added another “local” news link. Srill