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OK, I laughed out loud at that.
Melbourne, Australia has a population of 5,000,000 (greater than a bunch of our states summed together but much higher population density) and had uncontrolled community spread. They managed through policy and leadership to drive it down into the noise so that they could fully reopen everything. If you don't think there's a lesson to be learned there, then you are literally not worth engaging with.
Seriously, if you were in charge of decision making, it'd be malpractice not to look at how they succeeded. Sure, play off the sacrifices they made to get there. Acknowledge that if they did it, we can too. We are just unwilling to make the trades they did.
Dismissing it out of hand is stupid.
That's really good news. But out with the old Mk 1 Mod 0 Covid, in with the more contagious B117 variant.
It's the one that is growing exponentially, right now, with the restrictions we have in place. It's showing up right when we're about to lower those restrictions too. It's simple math to figure out what happens next. Basically, it's a footrace with the vaccine.
Google on "b117 variant doubling rate"
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Germany was his favorite for much of this thread. Then they had a huge (seasonal) spike and suddenly their policy isn’t who he would have emulated in hindsight. Neat how that works.
Also, if the idiotic policies put in place by the Navy were really for protecting the civilian populace, they could have said that and created a policy that actually targeted that. Instead we have leaders on this site saying they “just want their sailors to live”. If that was the goal we’d do away with motorcycles immediately as they are a greater risk than scaryvirus
It works
NPIs, testing, quarantines of infected, setting a goal of getting Covid down to very low levels instead of living with a high amount of prevalence...it works.
What have you got?
Sorry I'm not spoon feeding you, but aren't you an adult?
Nice deflection.
Masks are mandated inside in almost every state. Restaurants are capped at very low capacity. Bars have curfews in my state. Gyms are capped at low capacity. We have extensive contact tracing. Our community spread matches places that are both more and less strict.
Again, what's different? Why did those interventions work in Australia and not here. Hmmmmmm.
Masks are mandated inside in almost every state. Restaurants are capped at very low capacity. Bars have curfews in my state. Gyms are capped at low capacity. We have extensive contact tracing. Our community spread matches places that are both more and less strict.
Again, what's different? Why did those interventions work in Australia and not here. Hmmmmmm.
Even the other coronabros have stopped trying to defend policies, they just come in and try to lob shots from the cheap seats. Also note how they don’t pitch in to defend their fellow coronabro.
Behavior, fundamentally.
An interesting anecdote is between North and South Dakota in the Fall. One had a mask mandate (which wasn't really mandatory and was widely ignored), the other didn't. Both became the worst in the country with surges. Both ended up with similar rates of mask wearing, as people saw the disease surge around them.
The places I referenced didn't wait until they were in the storm to do the smart thing. They got out ahead of it, or when they got behind they stayed on it until it was back in control.
The behavior is what matters. To the extent that behavior is influenced by consistent messaging, we've done a horrible job, undercutting our own experts constantly. Even in this thread.
I was fine to watch the thread from afar, but your calling out Japan's 70 deaths/day as a disaster when we're losing over 3,000/day was a "2+2 = tomato" level of illogic. I guess I got trolled.
Well, come back in two weeks now and let us know how much of a disastrous super spreader event the Super Bowl was.
Hint: I bet it’s going to be very similar to New Years, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Halloween, Labor Day Weekend, Fourth of July, Memorial Day, everything. Which is to say, a nothing-burger.
Interesting that you admit you can’t even engage in policy discussion anymore since even you must realize how absurd and ridiculous things have gotten in some places.
Will do
Not one of those countries had a mask mandate inside the home. Our community spread, overwhelmingly, is occurring inside the home. I haven't seen a single...seriously...not one person, inside a store or public place not wear a mask. My anecdotal evidence shows people overwhelmingly wearing masks....and yet we still have rampant community spread. Mask wearing hit its peak well prior to our winter surge.
Again, the experts can model all they want, but until they actually look at what works in practice, their theories are worth less than the charmin I picked up at costco. Proposing less onerous, more targeted solutions would have prevented a lot of the COVID fatigue.
Or, and here's a big point: maybe don't fucking lie to people and tell them to not get masks because you're worried about a run on supplies. Don't tell them that we should be celebrating in chinatown. Don't tell them that you are a fucking lying piece of shit when you admit to 'moving the goalposts' on herd immunity. Don't decry the lack of faith in experts when the supposed experts admit lying to the public because they think they're too childish to appreciate what they're being told.
Fauci should be crucified for his integrity issues. Instead, that bureaucrat is being fellated nightly by the media for his 'courage' and 'leadership.'
Again, the experts can model all they want, but until they actually look at what works in practice, their theories are worth less than the charmin I picked up at costco. Proposing less onerous, more targeted solutions would have prevented a lot of the COVID fatigue.
Or, and here's a big point: maybe don't fucking lie to people and tell them to not get masks because you're worried about a run on supplies. Don't tell them that we should be celebrating in chinatown. Don't tell them that you are a fucking lying piece of shit when you admit to 'moving the goalposts' on herd immunity. Don't decry the lack of faith in experts when the supposed experts admit lying to the public because they think they're too childish to appreciate what they're being told.
Fauci should be crucified for his integrity issues. Instead, that bureaucrat is being fellated nightly by the media for his 'courage' and 'leadership.'
How is it getting there?
Not playing "gotcha" with this. The homes are the reservoirs for the illness. The point of attack is to keep it out of them, and to keep it from spreading out of them.
Just got off a Zoom, where one of the Zoomer's family just got hit with it. Their son brought it in, they believe. Three of 5 got sick. He said it was the worse sickness he's ever felt. Almost went to the hospital.
I just ate some fish tacos
I dunno, I told you...people are wearing masks where I live. Even FL, when I'm down there, people are wearing masks inside buildings, restaurants, etc. So again, if masks work to reduce the R rate, how is COVID making it into the home?