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Treetop Flyer

Well-Known Member
pilot
Yeah, I left some nuance out.

But it would suck to die of it now, knowing that but for a visit to a free vaccine clinic and laying low for a couple of weeks, you'd probably just have a bad cold instead of maybe a tube down your throat.
Who are you addressing with this? Yeah if you’re higher risk, get vaccinated. Even if you’re not, feel free. I’ll hold off and keep living normally as I have been. I’m also choosing to drive on the freeway in the rain in a moment, which poses more risk to me than the virus. Dying in a car crash would suck too but I have shit to do today.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
Yeah, I left some nuance out.

But it would suck to die of it now, knowing that but for a visit to a free vaccine clinic and laying low for a couple of weeks, you'd probably just have a bad cold instead of maybe a tube down your throat.
I agree that it would suck to die of it now.

I'm not convinced that getting a tube down your throat is the way to get better; the medical community quietly admitted that during the early months of this thing the accepted treatment of turning the ventilators up to max was probably doing as much harm as good. That's not a critique on people who practice medicine, practicing medicine isn't always as simple as "for symptom A prescribe treatment #1, symptom B do #2" and that's especially true for a new disease, but it's a real facepalm moment in the healthcare industry and it kinda puts last spring's "we're gonna run out of ventilators" panic in perspective, or how "pronating" greatly improved patients' oxygenation levels- medical speak for laying on your front instead of your back makes it easier to breathe- did it really take years of medical school to figure this one out?? What's also crystal clear for months now is that our fatass-worshipping society brought a lot of this pain on our collective selves. Newsflash- fat people can get out of breath laying down, not just walking up stairs, and with a disease that kills people by making it hard to breathe you don't need to be an MD to figure out that making fat choices hurts your odds.

There are a lot of innocent people caught in between, the immunocompromised for things like cancer treatment is one obvious example. Immunocompromised people who have a disease that you get from recreational drug use or fat people who grew up in a family of couch potatoes who ate junk food, a lot of that is self-inflicted but at the same time I do have humanitarian sympathy in the sense that we're all products of our environments and that nobody has control over when or where they were born or what they've suffered through (addictions are diseases as much as they are bad life choices, bad diet and exercise has a lot to do with childhood even if there are good examples and role models all around you in adulthood) and so on- life's complicated.

Personally, I don't laugh at the face shield plus respirator people or when I see someone in a tyvek suit at the airport. That's their business and they're not hurting me. Places of business that have a mask rule and choose to enforce it, that's the proprietor's prerogative as far as I'm concerned- my freedom to follow it and come in or to ignore it and go somewhere else.

Speaking of life is complicated, the vulnerable population has had over a year now to figure out how to adapt and better protect themselves. The mask-optional businesses are going to outnumber the mandatory mask places, hopefully sooner rather than later.
 

taxi1

Well-Known Member
pilot
I’m also choosing to drive on the freeway in the rain in a moment, which poses more risk to me than the virus.
Car crashes aren't contagious, and don't relate to herd immunity. Because of the concept of herd immunity, when you lower your risk with a vaccine, you lower everyone else's too. We're in it together, like it or not.

When everyone who wants a shot has gotten a shot then I'll stop caring. I'm getting close to that point, since all of my close family has had at least one shot, but there are folks out there still waiting for the shot.

We'll have to wait for the disease to work its way through the non-vaxxers to get to herd immunity, but so be it. As you note, they've accepted the risk.
 

ABMD

Bullets don't fly without Supply
I agree that it would suck to die of it now.

I'm not convinced that getting a tube down your throat is the way to get better; the medical community quietly admitted that during the early months of this thing the accepted treatment of turning the ventilators up to max was probably doing as much harm as good. That's not a critique on people who practice medicine, practicing medicine isn't always as simple as "for symptom A prescribe treatment #1, symptom B do #2" and that's especially true for a new disease, but it's a real facepalm moment in the healthcare industry and it kinda puts last spring's "we're gonna run out of ventilators" panic in perspective, or how "pronating" greatly improved patients' oxygenation levels- medical speak for laying on your front instead of your back makes it easier to breathe- did it really take years of medical school to figure this one out?? What's also crystal clear for months now is that our fatass-worshipping society brought a lot of this pain on our collective selves. Newsflash- fat people can get out of breath laying down, not just walking up stairs, and with a disease that kills people by making it hard to breathe you don't need to be an MD to figure out that making fat choices hurts your odds.

There are a lot of innocent people caught in between, the immunocompromised for things like cancer treatment is one obvious example. Immunocompromised people who have a disease that you get from recreational drug use or fat people who grew up in a family of couch potatoes who ate junk food, a lot of that is self-inflicted but at the same time I do have humanitarian sympathy in the sense that we're all products of our environments and that nobody has control over when or where they were born or what they've suffered through (addictions are diseases as much as they are bad life choices, bad diet and exercise has a lot to do with childhood even if there are good examples and role models all around you in adulthood) and so on- life's complicated.

Personally, I don't laugh at the face shield plus respirator people or when I see someone in a tyvek suit at the airport. That's their business and they're not hurting me. Places of business that have a mask rule and choose to enforce it, that's the proprietor's prerogative as far as I'm concerned- my freedom to follow it and come in or to ignore it and go somewhere else.

Speaking of life is complicated, the vulnerable population has had over a year now to figure out how to adapt and better protect themselves. The mask-optional businesses are going to outnumber the mandatory mask places, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
When everyone who wants a shot has gotten a shot then I'll stop caring.
It's been the case in Florida for a couple weeks that if you wanted a shot then you could book one with one to a few days lead. Since Florida was one of the whipping boys of the fear porn press this past year, I think turnabout is fair play and I submit that if the golden boy states can't meet this standard then that's on the voters and governments in those locales.

Seriously... in the middle of typing this post I just rescheduled my second dose for next Friday. It was supposed to be on Wednesday but I'm working that day. The signup had time slots all next week, Monday-Friday. My qualifications, nothing special, just some schlep with a Florida address. I got the first shot when I did by virtue of being 40 or older, otherwise I would have had to wait about one more week than I did.

If you want a shot then you can get a shot. We're at that point in this country; we're past it.


(edit: I don't think you and I agree on some of the finer points but I do appreciate your collegiality in your posts.)
 

taxi1

Well-Known Member
pilot
If you want a shot then you can get a shot.
We're getting there fast. There are states reducing their "ask" for the vaccine now.

I just looked at our local hospital, there's about 4,000 people on the waiting list, but it's moving pretty quick. Maybe a week. We've passed a tipping point.

They're also seeing a clear uptick in cases and hospital admissions, which is a bummer.

Penn State is having a shot-a-palooza for students here this week. You get a free ice cream if you go. The funny thing is the second shot is after they leave at the end of the semester, so I expect them to roll back into town, get the shot, and party.
 

Treetop Flyer

Well-Known Member
pilot
Car crashes aren't contagious, and don't relate to herd immunity. Because of the concept of herd immunity, when you lower your risk with a vaccine, you lower everyone else's too. We're in it together, like it or not.

When everyone who wants a shot has gotten a shot then I'll stop caring. I'm getting close to that point, since all of my close family has had at least one shot, but there are folks out there still waiting for the shot.

We'll have to wait for the disease to work its way through the non-vaxxers to get to herd immunity, but so be it. As you note, they've accepted the risk.
Getting on the road means accepting risk, just like going in public.

I have a hard time believing you’ll “stop caring” when just yesterday you were here pounding your chest about complying with useless mask orders unlike those “butthurt snowflakes”. I bet you’ll do whatever you’re told, feels morally superior, or the herd around you is doing.

By the way, I survived the post-covid traffic and now I get to survive looking at cabinets.
 

HAL Pilot

Well-Known Member
None
Contributor
Thanks, snowflake!

A libtard appropriating a conservative term and using it incorrectly. Typically. I haven’t been plastering the site with whinny mask up and evil non-believer messages like you. I just gave you my opinion when asked.

Since you parrot everything Fauci says one would think you’d be happy with the comparison. No pleasing libtards I guess.

Remember, those who can do while those who can’t teach. Dr. Fauci doesn’t practice medicine with patients and you teach. I guess those two reserve unit command tours make you an even better teacher.
 
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