COVID-19

[wink]

The re-masking decision followed an outbreak of at least 882 people in the conservative, MAGA-loving, Fauci-hating region of Provincetown, MA. Of the state residents among those 882, over 75% of positive COVID cases linked to this outbreak were in fully vaccinated people

CDC mask decision followed stunning findings from Cape Cod beach outbreak

The CDC's mask decision followed stunning findings from a Cape Cod beach outbreak. The viral load of vaccinated beachgoers changed what we know about the delta variant.

abcnews.go.com

And SEVEN hospitalized. With those numbers, likely no deaths. Again, why should I be worried? People get sick all the time. Think of this not as COVID cases, but one of the typical illness Americans experience throughout the year. BFD!

To quote my son's friend, and infectious disease specialist, "There are other infectious diseases. My time is best spent on them."

 

[Treetop Flyer]

The re-masking decision followed an outbreak of at least 882 people in the conservative, MAGA-loving, Fauci-hating region of Provincetown, MA. Of the state residents among those 882, over 75% of positive COVID cases linked to this outbreak were in fully vaccinated people

CDC mask decision followed stunning findings from Cape Cod beach outbreak

The CDC's mask decision followed stunning findings from a Cape Cod beach outbreak. The viral load of vaccinated beachgoers changed what we know about the delta variant.

abcnews.go.com

Damn those conservatives and their… checks notes…

High vaccination rate.

It’s beyond time to stop testing or reporting covid cases. Vaccines aren’t preventing infection and mild illness. Now they’ll have lasting natural immunity.

 

[picklesuit]

Can I offer an alternative scenario? Let people vaccinate or not, mask or not, and accept the results. If people don’t want to vaccinate, and don’t want to mask up, and that somehow was the scientifically correct, “smart” decision to save them from COVID, we have fixed the glitch, and took a step back from Idiocracy.

If the science is wrong, or the mask/vaccine is overhyped, then we go on living our lives, no harm, no foul.

Everyone has had an opportunity get the vaccine, for free, in the US, and at this point it’s willful non-compliance with the CDC recommendation, so they are forewarned, and have no excuse.

I’m a firm believer in actions have consequences…let it ride…

 

[robav8r]

Can I offer an alternative scenario? Let people vaccinate or not, mask or not, and accept the results. If people don’t want to vaccinate, and don’t want to mask up, and that somehow was the scientifically correct, “smart” decision to save them from COVID, we have fixed the glitch, and took a step back from Idiocracy.

If the science is wrong, or the mask/vaccine is overhyped, then we go on living our lives, no harm, no foul.

Everyone has had an opportunity get the vaccine, for free, in the US, and at this point it’s willful non-compliance with the CDC recommendation, so they are forewarned, and have no excuse.

I’m a firm believer in actions have consequences…let it ride…

Pickle - what you are suggesting is akin to something called a free society. The libtards will never allow you to exercise independent thought.

 

[wink]

Can I offer an alternative scenario? Let people vaccinate or not, mask or not, and accept the results. If people don’t want to vaccinate, and don’t want to mask up, and that somehow was the scientifically correct, “smart” decision to save them from COVID, we have fixed the glitch, and took a step back from Idiocracy.

If the science is wrong, or the mask/vaccine is overhyped, then we go on living our lives, no harm, no foul.

Everyone has had an opportunity get the vaccine, for free, in the US, and at this point it’s willful non-compliance with the CDC recommendation, so they are forewarned, and have no excuse.

I’m a firm believer in actions have consequences…let it ride…

Our society allows people to assess the risk and smoke tobacco, which kills more than the delta variant, eat what they want no matter their health status, ride bicycles without helmet and many places motorcycles without helmets, drive small light weight coffins, and assume all sorts of personal risk. But oh, you say, your covid status affects others unlike pigging out. And the passengers in your little econo box car, the children in the smoke filled car, the people who will care for you for 25 years because not wearing a helmet earned you a major TBI are not victims of others decisions?

 

[Mos]

So all over Tennessee, I see signs that say vaccines are “safe and effective”. So I have one simple question, what does that mean? I can’t find anything on the CDC, FDA, any governmental website.. Nothing. So i called a buddy who has a friend at the NHA and he has no idea. The closest I can find is “the right dose, to the right person, at the right time, under the right conditions”. Wtf does that even mean?

Google searched "COVID vaccine effectiveness" and "COVID vaccine safety":

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...ovid 19 vaccination:sem.ga:p:RG??gen:pTN:FY21

Ensuring COVID-19 Vaccines Work

Learn how the CDC and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) assess the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines before approving or authorizing a vaccine for emergency use.

www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe%3famp=true

Vaccine Safety Publications | Research | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Access publications on vaccine safety by specific safety system, safety topic, and year.

www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Surveillance

This page describes the monitoring the safety of authorized COVID-19 vaccines through both passive and active safety surveillance systems.

www.fda.gov

 

[Randy Daytona]

Daryl Barker was passionately against a COVID-19 vaccination, and so were his relatives. Then 10 of them got sick and Barker, at just 31, ended up in a Missouri intensive care unit fighting for his life...He arrived critically ill. Placed on a ventilator, Barker was given a 20% chance of surviving..nearly everyone hospitalized is unvaccinated...Daryl and Billie Barker both plan to get vaccinated once he recovers...“I don’t ever want to have to do this again,” she said, “and if that means getting a vaccination to prevent something like this, that’s what I’ll do.”

Totally f***-ing preventable.

Ravages of COVID surge evident inside Missouri hospital

A Missouri hospital that had no people hospitalized with COVID-19 just two months ago is now dealing with an onslaught of patients.

apnews.com

Unfortunately, this sounds like what happened to some friends of mine. She got the vaccine, he had some reservations and did not. Both got Covid. She had a mild cold and it was gone. He is still very sick in the ICU - over a week now and not getting out anytime soon. Both are about 40, non-smokers, good shape and no medical conditions.

 

[Spekkio]

Our society allows people to assess the risk and smoke tobacco, which kills more than the delta variant,

Except smoking indoors is outlawed in most if not all of America.

eat what they want no matter their health status,

Several states and municipalities have instituted surcharges and taxes on goods that are deemed unhealthy. Additionally, you pay sales taxes on these goods at grocery stores when fresh food is tax free.

ride bicycles without helmet and many places motorcycles without helmets,

Also outlawed in all 50 states

But oh, you say, your covid status affects others unlike pigging out.

As illustrated, government at multiple levels uses a multitude of different levers to discourage behavior that is considered harmful.

The issue with masks is that they're marginally effective as an NPI, and completely unnecessary for vaccinated individuals, not that it's government overreach. Additionally, the risk now is significantly over-blown since the fatality rate has plummeted in lieu of vaccinations. The states being hit hard by a surge that actually moves the needle in fatality rates are those with under 50% vaccination rates, which makes sense since the predicted magic number was 60% - a threshold only 5 states have achieved with another 13 > 50%. You'd think the CDC and DOD would have looked at this instead of putting out blanket guidance that amounts to nonsense for a significant amount of people, ultimately damaging their credibility when they try to convince skeptics that COVID vaccines are effective.

Not a very flat curve...

 

[Spekkio]

Damn those conservatives and their… checks notes…

High vaccination rate.

It’s beyond time to stop testing or reporting covid cases. Vaccines aren’t preventing infection and mild illness. Now they’ll have lasting natural immunity.

The moving of goalpoasts throughout the pandemic has been extremely frustrating.

First it was about not overloading hospitals. Then it moved to minimizing fatalities until a vaccine could be produced. Now it moved to preventing infections altogether, even if those infections are mild.

 

[taxi1]

Our society allows people to assess the risk and smoke tobacco, which kills more than the delta variant, eat what they want no matter their health status, ride bicycles without helmet and many places motorcycles without helmets, drive small light weight coffins, and assume all sorts of personal risk. But oh, you say, your covid status affects others unlike pigging out. And the passengers in your little econo box car, the children in the smoke filled car, the people who will care for you for 25 years because not wearing a helmet earned you a major TBI are not victims of others decisions?

None of those are contagious. Covid is a different kind of risk, multiplicative risk. The risk to you goes up when I get Covid, and to the next guy, and to the next guy. It goes down when I get vaccinated. My decision affects your risk in a way none of your personal risk examples do.

But here we are. As @picklesuit notes, folks have had their chance. Let the unvaccinated enjoy their pandemic. Fingers crossed some “improved” variant won’t emerge from their science experiment.

@Randy Daytona, sorry to hear about your friend. Wish him the best...

 

[taxi1]

The moving of goalpoasts throughout the pandemic has been extremely frustrating.

First it was about not overloading hospitals. Then it moved to minimizing fatalities until a vaccine could be produced. Now it moved to preventing infections altogether, even if those infections are mild.

The first two are the same. We are not doing the third one, we are just trying to do the first two for the unvaccinated now, which means trying to keep the total number of infections circulating through the whole population low. The vaxxed are sacrificing for the unvaxxed, and for anyone who might need a hospital bed.

If we didn’t have the huge pool of unvaccinated, this whole thing would be in the rear view mirror for us. What a bunch of bullshit.

 

[JustAGuy]

...ride bicycles without helmet and many places motorcycles without helmets...

Also outlawed in all 50 states

I'm not getting involved in the bigger debate but helmet laws are far from 100% universal. Three states have no laws, and the majority of the rest are age specific, generally 17-20 years old and under required helmets by law.

From what I can find quickly there is no state with a universal law for bicycle helmets being required, solely for young riders.

 

[wink]

Several states and municipalities have instituted surcharges and taxes on goods that are deemed unhealthy. Additionally, you pay sales taxes on these goods at grocery stores when fresh food is tax free.

That is wrong. "Several" is way off. A very few is more like it. Your referance to retail grocery taxes is also wrong, except I suppose, in your state or city. Generally grocery store bought food is not taxed because the state rightly assumes it is for sustainment. Food bought in resturants and some.other foods some places are seen as optional to the sustainment of life. It is taxed, as a luxury, if you will. ,

 

[SlickAg]

dOcToRs AnD jOuRnaLiStS dOn’t LiE!!!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421151030046191616

 

[Spekkio]

That is wrong. "Several" is way off. A very few is more like it.

I'm not going to enumerate every way in which the government does this when you can easily google it. The bottom line is that COVID regulations aren't any different in this regard.

Your referance to retail grocery taxes is also wrong, except I suppose, in your state or city. Generally grocery store bought food is not taxed because the state rightly assumes it is for sustainment.

Only 11 states don't tax pre-prepared food (e.g. roasted chickens, salad bar items, frozen meals, etc.) and goods like soda, juice, or candy in grocery stores.