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MIDNJAC

MIDNJAC

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wink said:
As a reminder, the open, nearly free for all, no jeopardy forums at Tailhook (pre 91 anyway) is what made Tailhook great. Before "safe space" was a thing, I saw a LT walk up to the mic to bitch about the messed up re-winging of the Intruder. He said the "fucker" responsible for that should be fired. To which, the admiral responsible took the mic and they discussed it. When a junior feels free to call out a senior with expletive's
(professional or not) you know you have an open unfiltered channel.
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This would be a breath of fresh air nowadays. It is a stratified organization by nature/tradition, but a "safe space" (as you say) to air grievances or most importantly, constructively solve big problems over a few-a thousand beers, would be awesome for a lot of the guys/gals at that point in life of being on the fence. I'd like to see a lot more of them stick around. We wont get better with them leaving. It really isn't hard. What you say is probably part of the solution. You make them part of the solution. It's called "listening".
 
robav8r

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Interesting read so far. A few surprises, but not many. The conspiracy theorists were pretty spot on . . . .
 
Waveoff

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Interesting on finding #3 saying that the vaccines would be better characterized as therapeutics, when the word therapeutic only appears 8 times in the whole document and never gets a section on why that is the case or would matter. Not a doctor but it might seem that Covid changes so rapidly that it could be akin to the yearly flu vaccine shot if required long term.

Same for #7 on the prescription vs disease, especially when a sizable portion of the country refuses the “prescription” because the disease “doesn’t exist”.
 
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IKE

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taxi1 said:
The document has a bizarre lack of any criticism at all for the Chief Executive overseeing the initial response.
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Swanee said:
It feels very... Biased.
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I don't disagree, but a lot of those emails are pretty damning. The NIH/NIAID crowd is at least guilty of serious confirmation bias and possibly worse wrt countering the lab leak theory, and the FOIA avoidance by Dr. Morens and company is angering. (But also slightly impressive, like the VW diesel scandal)
 
Spekkio

Spekkio

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robav8r said:
Interesting read so far. A few surprises, but not many. The conspiracy theorists were pretty spot on . . . .
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Wasn't really 'conspiracy theorists.' It was moreso that the MSM and social media execs silenced anyone who dissented with the federal government's messaging, including reputable professional healthcare providers and scientists, for 'spreading misinformation.'

Russia and China don't need an IO campaign, we can brainwash ourselves just fine.

taxi1 said:
The document has a bizarre lack of any criticism at all for the Chief Executive overseeing the initial response.
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What are they supposed to criticize? That two Presidential administrations leaned heavily on their medical SMEs and the federal agencies responsible for planning and executing a pandemic response? What were they supposed to do?
 
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taxi1

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Spekkio said:
Wasn't really 'conspiracy theorists.' It was moreso that the MSM and social media execs silenced anyone who dissented with the federal government's messaging, including reputable professional healthcare providers and scientists, for 'spreading misinformation.'

Russia and China don't need an IO campaign, we can brainwash ourselves just fine.


What are they supposed to criticize? That two Presidential administrations leaned heavily on their medical SMEs and the federal agencies responsible for planning and executing a pandemic response? What were they supposed to do?
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My thing about all the talk at the time was it didn’t matter at the time. Whether from misplaced love between a bat and pangolin or a dropped vial by an intern, the viral horse had left the barn. Face the gator near the boat.
 
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robav8r

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Flash said:
It is not a report by an expert panel but one by elected officials from one party with little expertise in the subject matter, I would be wary of putting much stock at all into their conclusions.
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You pulled nothing relevant out of it Flash? That's rich . . . . 🤣
 
Flash

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robav8r said:
You pulled nothing relevant out of it Flash? That's rich . . . . 🤣
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From what little I've read of it so far, the conclusions/recommendations on preparations have some pretty good points. But the conclusions about the origin of the disease are...problematic, at best.
 
Spekkio

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
taxi1 said:
My thing about all the talk at the time was it didn’t matter at the time. Whether from misplaced love between a bat and pangolin or a dropped vial by an intern, the viral horse had left the barn. Face the gator near the boat.
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That's fair when it comes to immediate actions. But proving China was the culprit early in the pandemic could have...

1. Caused the international community to put more pressure on the PRC to support the global response.

2. Bolstered the U.S. in its pseudo-Cold War with China by...
a. bolstering domestic support for increased military funding / platform R&D and acquisition now that you can prove there's a direct threat threat to people's livelihoods.
b. pushing other nations to align more closely with the U.S.'s stance toward the PRC and President Xi.
 
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