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Dear Boss, I quit! A letter to Air Force leadership....

Jim123

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
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kmac said:
Random threadjack, but does the Navy have any O-4 or lower commands?
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A couple good ship examples are the minesweepers (normally O-4) and the PCCs (O-3). Good examples of ashore commands are the NOSCs (reserve centers), which are billeted as O-3 through O-6, mostly depending on the size (sometimes with +/- 1 paygrade flexibility, sometimes not)... off the top of my head, I can't think of any others.

As far as aviation, I don't think we've and any O-4 or below command for decades now.
 
MIDNJAC

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is clara ship
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jmcquate said:
The F-22 demo I saw today beat the hell out of the Plopter demo......so they have airshows going for them.
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Last airshow I was at, the raptor was grounded and the MAGTF demo was pretty legit.....plopters included. I certainly didn't admit that to my buddy who was flying one of them though :)
 
scoober78

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pourts said:
Ok, this is wierd that I am the one taking the air force side, but I will run with it.

I didn't connect all of those dots, my bad: E-6's fly because of the umbrella of air superiority provided in the USA by the air force. Here's an analogy: how would Europe's foreign policy be different if the USA didn't exist and act as global police man? I don't know exactly, but it would be very different.
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E-6's fly in the USA under the blanket of air superiority provided by the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
 
BusyBee604

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Jim123 said:
As far as aviation, I don't think we've and any O-4 or below command for decades now.
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I recall that back in th early '70s, the Navy experiment with detailing O-4s direct to selected A-4 fleet Squadrons as CO. Don't know if other fleet communities (F-4s, etc.?), were involved. The young Skippers did OK, however, two major problems arose that affected morale & the experiment faded away.

1. Every time a screened O-4 got a command, one equally qualified & screened O-5 lost his chance for a fleet command.

2. Some of these (dubbed) "Kiddie Skippers", had the enviable experience of getting a 2nd CO tour after they made O-5! Needless to say, this did not do much for morale.

In my opinion, if they had deemed a few top O-4s as 'command ready', they should have been deep selected for O-5, promoted (or frocked), then screened and assigned.:confused:
BzB
 
Gatordev

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tiz84 said:
Afloat? I'm about 100% certain I saw an O-3 CO, command pin and all, not very long ago. She had a media write up about it, I'm going to try and dig it up.....

O-4s? Absolutely.
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I'm guessing what you saw was not necessarily the "first" JO CO, but the first JO female CO. I can't remember if it was on the Mod side or on the "low" side, but if it's who I'm thinking, she was actually a year ahead of me at UF. I can't remember which command it was, but I don't think it was a PCC.
 
BackOrdered

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Gatordev said:
I'm guessing what you saw was not necessarily the "first" JO CO, but the first JO female CO. I can't remember if it was on the Mod side or on the "low" side, but if it's who I'm thinking, she was actually a year ahead of me at UF. I can't remember which command it was, but I don't think it was a PCC.
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Yeah I think we may be talking about the same one. Was she black?
 
Uncle Fester

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MasterBates said:
PC class boats are a LT/LCDR command
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Usually a senior LT who puts on O-4 during the command tour, or at least that was the case last time I worked with them (~2001). I think in general the PC is being regarded as a concept that didn't pan out - too big and slow for the SEALs, not suitable for blue-water SWO stuff. So the Navy being the Navy, everything associated with PCs will be regarded as tainted, and that'll probably be the last of sub-O-5 command at sea for a while. Maybe with the exception of the Sweeps. The LCSs have O-5 skippers.
 
jollygreen07

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gotta_fly said:
Agreed. Think you could pull a wakeboard behind it though?

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Was thinking along the same lines... Wakeboards, kegs, a grill or three... Oh yeah, and all the guns. Don't forget the guns. I can't imagine those selected to command a PC are the same guys/gals who lead the JOPA charge wherever they go.
 
jmcquate

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jollygreen07 said:
Was thinking along the same lines... Wakeboards, kegs, a grill or three... Oh yeah, and all the guns. Don't forget the guns. I can't imagine those selected to command a PC are the same guys/gals who lead the JOPA charge wherever they go.
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BigRed389

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jollygreen07 said:
Was thinking along the same lines... Wakeboards, kegs, a grill or three... Oh yeah, and all the guns. Don't forget the guns. I can't imagine those selected to command a PC are the same guys/gals who lead the JOPA charge wherever they go.
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Yeah, they get selected as LT's, but by the time they actually transfer from the DH ride and hit the PC, they're almost always LCDRs.

Not to mention, in SWO-land, LT's pretty much are out of JOPA when they start their first DH tour.

Coasties do something closer to a "Super JO" command tour with their WPBs, though they're still pretty senior LTs. Those cutters are pretty damn bad ass, even if they're painted in ridiculous colors.
 
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