Deployed MEU's getting M-4 Carbine?

[Fly Navy]

I do not remember the range the different weapons were fired from. I do know that I've run ranges with soviet weapons, now granted they were pretty tired so I'm sure the range was decreased but none of the squads in the competition (all Marines) had much luck hitting targets outside 300 meters. Inside 200 we were tearing it up though. We just need some marksmen like they have in the movies that can hit moving tagets at 200 meters with a 9mm, that's some sweet shooting. Often while rolling too.

I was just wondering because 7.62x51mm doesn't reach its maximum penetration capability until about 200-300m. This is why Myth Busters fucked up the "can you get shot underwater" or whatever it was. They were shooting at point blank ranges. Big difference.

True Soviet weapons, or were they Bloc weapons? As I understand, the Russian made ones were pretty nice, the others are of varying quality. I have a Bulgarian clone that shoots pretty nicely.

 

[mules83]

I was just wondering because 7.62x51mm doesn't reach its maximum penetration capability until about 200-300m. This is why Myth Busters fucked up the "can you get shot underwater" or whatever it was. They were shooting at point blank ranges. Big difference.

Why is that and what is the difference? Would it have made a big difference on that show.

 

[bigfish]

The rangeon the tests, I know it was beyond 100 meters but I don't remember specifics. The weapons we used were so old and worn it was very hard to tell.

 

[Fly Navy]

Why is that and what is the difference? Would it have made a big difference on that show.

Huge difference.

The best analogy I have is this: You have really soft sand and a wood stick. What happens when you jam the wood stick quickly into the sand? It breaks and doesn't really penetrate. What happens if you steadily push on the stick into the sand? It penetrates without breaking. Same basic thing happens with bullets. Remember, hitting water is like hitting cement or some other hard surface. At point blank ranges, that bullet is going fast enough to shatter and fragment itself on impact, achieving little penetration. However, at range, it has slowed down and will survive the initial impact and penetrate into the water. They failed big time in this test on the show. They were trying to mimic the scene in Saving Private Ryan I believe, where the machine gun bullets from the Germans are going into the water. Well, they were 400m away, so that will definitely happen, provided it doesn't ricochet off the surface.

 

[A4sForever]

Huge difference.

The best analogy I have is this: You have really soft sand and a wood stick. What happens when you jam the wood stick quickly into the sand? It breaks and doesn't really penetrate. What happens if you steadily push on the stick into the sand? It penetrates without breaking. Same basic thing happens with bullets. ......

That's one reason that I like big, (relatively) slow sticks/bullets that make big holes, (relatively) slowly.