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Deployment video causing heat for Enterprise Skipper
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Problem is, there's always one jack ass with a camera.
True because almost everyone has one now with their cell phones.
Did you not read the story?
It was released years before DADT, and he wasn't crushed for it.
DADT gets pulled, and all the sudden this is a big deal. It's fucking gay.
I feel insulted, somehow, and I'm not even gay. </Sarcasm>
Yup the majority
Yup the minority.
That is always going to happen no matter who you are. You can say "I dislike apple pie" and you would offend someone.
You misspelled "carry", I'm offended. Now what do we do?
The videos were made while DADT was in effect, and years before DADT was repealed. They apparently weren't made public until very recently.
Regardless of what anyone personally thinks about the videos, ask yourself this question: if these had been shown to you before they were made public, and you were asked what the public reaction would be if they were shown on CNN, who wouldn't have predicted that they would cause a stir? In this day and age, when most media is digital and therefore can be exchanged with a push of a button or downloaded onto a USB drive in less than a minute and carried off the ship in a pocket, how stupid do you have to be (especially as a senior officer) to record yourself doing and saying stuff like this?
GreenLantern330
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Just watched the video.. I'm not quite sure what the problem is. I thought it was funny. Yeah, it probably wasn't smart to use that language (which didn't offend me, but I could see how others would find it unacceptable or offensive) on film. I just... don't get what the big deal is..
There has been much worse video shot onboard carriers. If you don't like it, don't watch it... what happened to that?
It didn't seem to bother anyone when it first came out 3 or 4 years ago. To crucify on the cross of political correctness an officer who by all accounts is a great leader is bull shit. His leadership is being confirmed by the vast majority of Sailors who have or are serving under him giving their support and loyalty.
Most members of the Naval Aviation community understand this is aviator humor. The CVN is reflective of the Naval Aviation culture and what he did was a morale builder. It also shows the younger troops and JOs that he is a person too, not some demi-god sitting in his silver tower. I've never seen a CO, CAG or Admiral sit out focsle follies. This was just an extension of that to the rest of the ship.
If I was still active, I'd be offended and alienated if I was forced to share a stateroom with a gay officer under the new policies. Yet I would be expected to accept it, suck it up and be "professional" about it without complaint. Why is this any different? The vast majority see it has humorous, not offensive. Just like the vast majority (supposedly) find the allowing gays to openly serve as acceptable and not offensive. Why is it okay because the majority like it in one situation but not the other?
This isn't about professionalism and leadership, this is about political correctness. And it does detract from the "warrior" culture and the benefits that mentality bring to a combat unit.
Most members of the Naval Aviation community understand this is aviator humor. The CVN is reflective of the Naval Aviation culture and what he did was a morale builder. It also shows the younger troops and JOs that he is a person too, not some demi-god sitting in his silver tower. I've never seen a CO, CAG or Admiral sit out focsle follies. This was just an extension of that to the rest of the ship.
If I was still active, I'd be offended and alienated if I was forced to share a stateroom with a gay officer under the new policies. Yet I would be expected to accept it, suck it up and be "professional" about it without complaint. Why is this any different? The vast majority see it has humorous, not offensive. Just like the vast majority (supposedly) find the allowing gays to openly serve as acceptable and not offensive. Why is it okay because the majority like it in one situation but not the other?
This isn't about professionalism and leadership, this is about political correctness. And it does detract from the "warrior" culture and the benefits that mentality bring to a combat unit.
It'll be unfortunate if he loses his command over this. The video was hilarious. The bosses that I've worked for that had a sense of humor seemed to help enhance the command climate more than hurt it IMHO. In this case, the video probably should have been restricted for Wardroom entertainment only, maybe minus the majority of SWOs.
I don't disagree with that sentiment. My point was that it should have been obvious that A) if the videos were ever made publicly available, the reaction would not be good, and B) in this digital, social networked world, it's very easy to make things publicly available.
You're in charge of a platoon/division. Next time you have quarters, tell them that you've given up on the professional development of 10% of them based on demographics instead of performance. Justify it by saying you still give a shit about a vast majority. Good luck.
No. You would be talking about apple pie and yourself, not people. In the embattled CAPT's situation, he was talking about homosexuals, who are in the eyes of all but the farthest-gone bigots, people. If, however, you said "I'm producing a morale-boosting video for those who dislike apple pie. Those who like apple pie, go f yourselves," you'd be doing the same thing. But, of course, in that case you'd also be crazy. Who doesn't like apple pie?
Don't be a child. If you have a real argument, make it.
True. I was watching that video with my 15yr old son and he didn't get the humor until I explained it to him. Then, and knowing me, he thought it was hilarious. Still doesn't make it wrong, I'm standing on that.
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