Deployment video causing heat for Enterprise Skipper

[jmcquate]

I'm sure you typed this histrionic nugget straight-faced, but it's the funniest thing I've read on this thread.

Pay attention at about 1:20. Enjoy.

 

[Spekkio]

As amusing as the video is, the "right thing" to do is to lay your career on the line for masturbation jokes?

Is this a frat or a fighting institution that I joined?

The video is more than just masturbation jokes...it's someone in the front office letting 6,000 Sailors know that it's OK to have fun once in a while and getting laughs while doing it. You can't be all business 100% of the time, or else you'll go crazy.

Yea, I don't expect the non-military types to 'get' the video. I would expect a significant portion of John Q. Public to say "omg, what a potty mouth!" But we don't have a job to impress John Q. Public with our manners; we exist to defend our country from people who want to harm us. Unless you can prove that using swear words and making gay jokes is directly proportional to one's combat effectiveness (or lackthereof), this guy should keep his job as CO.

 

[Spekkio]

NPR actually has an interesting take on the Navy's 'fire them all' attitude.

http://m.npr.org/story/132628959?ur...959/getting-fired-by-the-navy-isnt-hard-to-do

I agree that today's Navy is too quick to pull the trigger, but using examples of a CO making officers wear bags on their heads (and thus humiliating them in front of subordinates) isn't exactly the best example of people who shouldn't be fired.

 

[Floppy_D]

@jmcquate, +1 for posting a video with Circle Jerks doing the soundtrack.

 

[Rocketman]

He's gone.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=57937

(oops...late scoop)

 

[Pugs]

This is another failure of leadership. In this case it mirrors the failure in leadership we saw after Tailhook (and yes I was there) when the senior civilian and uniformed leadership of the Navy failed to stand up for their people. The correct answer here was that Capt Honor has a sustained track record of getting the job done and is the best person to lead his ship on a deployment that he has trained them for. To fire him over this five years later is chickenshit and it appears that his crew backs him up on this (at least many have appeared in support)

So, the message is loud and clear to you young folks. The Navy will gladly sack you if you cross the line. No, they won't tell you where that line is and it moves.

Aside from the posters here who seem to be well in line with the PC party line I cannot in good conscious recommend a career in Naval Air to anyone anymore. Do a tour, two if you can get a second flying and then go own your own destiny. Do not ever think you are more than one anonymous complaint from being terminated.

 

[RadicalDude]

Glad to see this here. Sailorbob is about to have a colective coronary over his lack of professionalism. Also that he's "picking on the SWOs." Hahaha.

 

[navyao]

Navy deployments are hard, but I wouldn't go so far as to liken them with coping with death and destruction all the time. We're not in a foxhole in Afghanistan. The biggest hardship I ever endured (aside from missing my family) was knowing who to trade porn mags and x-box games with.

That's not my point. What I'm saying is that we deal with stress, the crap that we see and deal with in different ways. The Capt. dealt with and poked fun with what goes on aboard an carrier during deployment. Grunts may do the same thing, I don't know because I'm not nor was I ever a Grunt. I have however been to sea; I've deployed both in peace time and war time and whether it's not getting clean skivies for two weeks or uploading and downloading the same ordnance constantly you bitch and moan and you wait for someone or something to motivate you, sometimes in comes other times not. The Capt., imho realized that and took charge making up his own MWR.

 

[ryan1234]

Did anybody find out which douche-canoe leaked this video?

The reason why this video was released wasn't because it offended anyone immediately - it was simply because it could be news/public shock value considering current events, attract attention, etc.

 

[Mumbles]

We have a pretty good idea who it was.

 

[HooverPilot]

Mumbles - sorry you lost a great Leader. Hope for the crew the deployment goes well in spite of this.

The douche-nozzle who sold out their CO (circumventing all chains of command in the process) sold their soul with it. I sure don't want to serve with that person in my Navy.

 

[HAL Pilot]

The Admirals that were the Enterprise CO and Strike Group Commander when Capt. Honors was the XO are the biggest pussies out there. They should have publicly stood up and said "these videos were made and shown during my watch while Capt. Honors was my subordinate. I was the commander and therefore I am responsible for the content."

Yet they continue their silence.

No integrity, no honor and no loyalty to their subordinates. They are the ones who should get the boot.

 

[larbear]

It seems to have become a trend that whenever the press picks up the trail of some supposed injustice, apparent malpractice or uncouth behavior in the military, someone HAS to be fired. This makes me wonder whether loyalty is still a two-way street in our Navy. There must be a point in the career of an officer at which their balls are cut off in exchange for the next pay grade. Can you imagine any of the great admirals of WW II giving two shits about such childish cockamamie bitching and moaning in the media when there was a war to fight and blood to spill? I’m sure they would have been more occupied with how they could hurt the enemy. With no large scale life or death fighting within recent memory for the Navy, we have turned into a bunch of pussies. When the next big one comes, I’m not confident that a leadership sworn first and foremost to support and defend everybody’s feelings will pull through like the leaders of our past.
This debacle has nothing to do with “Honor, Courage, and Commitment,” and everything to do with the systematic pussification of our Navy and our nation in general.

 

[coolhandlukesd]

Not an Admiral, but there was Gen. Patton and his famous bitch slap heard around the world. which took place in late summer 1943, before D-day and the battle of the Battle of the Bulge, I think the war would have gone a bit different towards the end of the war. We still would have won but would we have made more plunders and risk more lives if Gen. Patton was sent home. "Who knows..............rhetorical question that does not need to be answered"

 

[craftingraptor]

I'm also wondering why his superiors didn't stand up for him. I'm a newbie to all this blame-the-liberals stuff, but aren't the guys that fired him responsible? Sure, we serve the public because we vow to defend the constitution, but isn't it up to his superiors to take the flak for it if it's the just thing to do?

Blaming the "Political Correctness" in the media completely absolves his superiors of their responsibility, which imho is the real issue. I know it's been said above. The reason I said it again is that it scares me as a soon-to-be officer that my superiors care more about the next promotion board than they do their subordinates, past, present and future.

If I could ask A4, aren't his superiors from your generation? Aren't they the ones that are schwacking the CAPT?