DON'T GET ATTRITED

[otbrefugee]

For those of you haven't heard the word, here it is: If you attrite from flight school (including API through possibly as far as the FRS) whether it be DOR, NPQ or flunked out, you will be seperated from the Navy. This goes now for all OCS, ROTC and Academy grads! You will be gone from the Navy is less than 6 months. For now there are no redesignations and even those who have in the past couple of years made it to GENAV, are being seperated. SO DON'T ATTRITE!

 

[Agent00JP]

Heard the same thing. It will probably come as a big surprise to the GA guys.

 

[46Driver]

This sounds like a time warp back to 1991/92. Next thing you know, augmentation will not be automatic.

 

[bart27]

I'm sorry, I know what NPQ is, but what is DOR? Probably stupid question.

 

[Banjo33]

drop on request

 

[Brooke]

Will someone explain what attrition is and why it sounds like a time warp? I'm sorry if this is common knowledge, but I'd really appreciate someone to shed some light on this for me

 

[Daedalus]

Yes, what does this mean: "Next thing you know, augmentation will not be automatic"

 

[Hartman]

Augmentation is not automatic. You must apply for it.

 

[roun]

Where did you hear this? Also, if ROTC grads attrite, do they have to pay back their tuition?

 

[lowflier03]

If you attrite you dont have to pay anything back. There is a guy down here that DOR'd about halfway through primary and he was ROTC Scholarship. He is just sitting around while they do the paperwork to discharge him and send him home. He said if he knew he was gonna be sent home instead of going SWO like he was hoping, then he would have stayed with it.

 

[bch]

DOR = Drop on request

Augmentation = WHen you are commissioned, you are given a reserve commission. Augmentation is when I think (not sure on the exact time frame) after 4 yrs you are augmented to USN instead of USNR.

Attrition = Big word for not making it through flight school. Encompasses, Quitting, Failing and being Medically/Physically DQ'd. Can happen at anytime until you get your wings. After that it is a lot harder to get rid of someone after all that money has been spent on them and that they are warfare qualed now.

 

[46Driver]

All of this shows how cyclical the military is and how it is tied to the economy. Back in 1991/92, the military was downsizing and had too many SNA's and too many officers. What that meant was that flight school became tougher for the simple reason they had to get rid of many student pilots. Also, it became nearly impossible to stay in: we had 36 pilots in my composite squadron go up for augmentation (selection from a reserve commission to a regular commission) - only 2 made it.

The economy booms, the airlines hire pilots like crazy, and all of sudden everybody is promoted, augmentation becomes automatic and pilots get huge bonuses to stay in.

Now it seems the pendulum has swung back towards where it was in the early 90's (in particular the nasty market for airline pilots) and things are getting tougher again.

Just an observation from watching the wheel go round......

 

[Brooke]

BCH: thanks for the breakdown! I was really starting to wonder what the hell everyone was talking about

Before, if you were attrited from a certain school, you just moved to another? And now if for any reason you can't make it through, you are tossed out of the Navy altogether?

So it's extrememly difficult to get in, and pretty hard to stay in, so those of us who are selected and make it through will be pretty bad ass!

 

[smittyrunr]

Augmentation- I know you have to apply for it, but I had never heard (until recently) of anyone being denied it. So what happens if you don't augment?

 

[46Driver]

Brooke, you are correct in your 2nd paragraph.

Smitty, if you do not augment, you are released from active duty service at the end of your obligation.

PatMack, sometimes its not the studying (although not studying is the inescusable part) Usually, it's motor skills and just not being able to fly (although a better description would not being able to fly in the allotted amount of training time.) That I can fix as an instructor - I remember all too well what it was like as a student. I think my grades were so bad they were threatening me with blimps or drones... but you do eventually get the hang of it. The big problem is students that can't think on their feet or poor situational awareness - that is extremely difficult to rectify.

I know you wanted jets and hope you get them, but if not, you will have a good time at South Field. If you look around, you will notice that most of the students here are having fun even if we do work y'all pretty hard.