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DON'T GET ATTRITED
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46, I have a question about your statement of being released after the service obligation if one doesn't augment. Is there a difference for line officers vs. non-line? My understanding according to the gouge on BUPERS is that you only have to be augmented by the time of selection for O-4, or about 10 years. I know we can apply for augmentation sooner, (it's the same board that decides redesignation) but I was under the impression thet you aren't forced to make the decision until you accept the O-4 promotion. Is there something different to look at out there?
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I know a couple guys that attrited in API, and both are bound for the reserves. It would most likely be inactive reserves, meaning you put in your weekend a month/2 weeks a year, but it's a way to keep your commission. Another option is branch transfer...Army, Marines, Coast Guard are all options. Chances would be slim to none, stressing the "none", that you could be a military pilot anywhere, but it's definitely a way to remain an officer.
I DOR'ed out of API. Long story and very personal reason which I really can't elaborate.
Since, I had slim chances to redesignate, I signed a VRAD (Voluntary Release from Active Duty)and went straight to the reserves. I volunteered for SELRES. (selective reserves). If you get attrited, and signed the VRAD, you keep your commission and go straight to IRR. (Inactive Ready Reserves). Flipside of the VRAD is that you loose your GI Bill. If you go for the IRAD (Involuntary), you get your GI Bill but you loose your commission. It's like getting kicked out. I'm not sure if there's any difference between IRAD and an ADSEP. (Administrative Separation) In both cases, the door is closed for any naval career and possibly any military career in general.
I'm now attached to a MIUW unit. (Mobile Inshore Undersea Warfare) Our mission is coastal warfare/force protection. Essentially, we try to prevent another USS Cole incident. Really intense and high optempo stuff.
Now, my unit is being recalled to active duty as part of the latest rotation to the gulf. I'm looking at about a couple of years of active duty time and an operational tour under my belt.
I think I came in at the right time. As if I never left active duty. Once the manpower levels stabilize a bit, I'll put in for regular USN. Its all about numbers, budget and timing.
I'm still pained with my decision to DOR, but I think I made the right choice. One door closes and now another opens.
Hey Pat, say Hi to Ervin for me when you see him. I'm rootin' for y'all. Go get them wings!
Since, I had slim chances to redesignate, I signed a VRAD (Voluntary Release from Active Duty)and went straight to the reserves. I volunteered for SELRES. (selective reserves). If you get attrited, and signed the VRAD, you keep your commission and go straight to IRR. (Inactive Ready Reserves). Flipside of the VRAD is that you loose your GI Bill. If you go for the IRAD (Involuntary), you get your GI Bill but you loose your commission. It's like getting kicked out. I'm not sure if there's any difference between IRAD and an ADSEP. (Administrative Separation) In both cases, the door is closed for any naval career and possibly any military career in general.
I'm now attached to a MIUW unit. (Mobile Inshore Undersea Warfare) Our mission is coastal warfare/force protection. Essentially, we try to prevent another USS Cole incident. Really intense and high optempo stuff.
Now, my unit is being recalled to active duty as part of the latest rotation to the gulf. I'm looking at about a couple of years of active duty time and an operational tour under my belt.
I think I came in at the right time. As if I never left active duty. Once the manpower levels stabilize a bit, I'll put in for regular USN. Its all about numbers, budget and timing.
I'm still pained with my decision to DOR, but I think I made the right choice. One door closes and now another opens.
Hey Pat, say Hi to Ervin for me when you see him. I'm rootin' for y'all. Go get them wings!
If you don't augment then your career on active duty is far more limited. You will retain the USNR commission and become a TAR (training and administration of reserves), the active duty support force for the reserves. Otherwise you will be seperated and yes, you can go into the reserves as a SELRES (weekend warrior). Marcb747's experience is very instructive. I highly recommend that anyone facing seperation for any reason try to keep their commission and look closely at the reserves. If you truely want to serve that is a very useful way. In addition, if active duty is a goal it can be done just as Marcb did. You can even seek out active duty orders not unlike reading the classifieds and applying for a job.
Yeah, I'm definitely planning on busting my balls once classed up but it's nice to hear there are still alternatives to let you keep your commission, even if you do screw up. Officer 1st, SNA a close 2nd. I'd hate to have to spend the rest of my life working for The Man . . .
Right, like we're not already working for The Man.
The story they told us Boat School grads when we came out here was, "If you get attrited, forget about SWO or Restricted Line. We've got plenty of officers in those communities. If you don't make it through flight school, we'll just make you a General Aviation officer and MAYBE if you're good enough we'll let you try to get a lateral transfer." Now it appears that, once again, there are too many officers - period - which is why so many are being released from active duty. At first it was the OCS guys who got off scot-free; I know a guy who wanted to lateral transfer to SWO, but they made him get out. He kept his commission in the reserves. Now if they aren't actually making USNA and ROTC grads pay back their education, the automatic separation seems alot better than General Aviation. Oh no, please don't make me a civilian, I want to be the fuels officer on a carrier so badly! Sorry if I sound cynical; I am. It's important for me to serve my country, otherwise I wouldn't be here, but I'd rather start a family with my wife than go to sea for 6-9 months against my will.
I hope I will meet the challenge the Navy has placed before me, and I will work my ass off to become an aviator. I have no reason to want to get out, but if I attrited that would certainly change. There are more important things in life than staying in the military at all costs - it's sad, but it almost seems like the military is the only thing of value in many servicemen's lives.
The story they told us Boat School grads when we came out here was, "If you get attrited, forget about SWO or Restricted Line. We've got plenty of officers in those communities. If you don't make it through flight school, we'll just make you a General Aviation officer and MAYBE if you're good enough we'll let you try to get a lateral transfer." Now it appears that, once again, there are too many officers - period - which is why so many are being released from active duty. At first it was the OCS guys who got off scot-free; I know a guy who wanted to lateral transfer to SWO, but they made him get out. He kept his commission in the reserves. Now if they aren't actually making USNA and ROTC grads pay back their education, the automatic separation seems alot better than General Aviation. Oh no, please don't make me a civilian, I want to be the fuels officer on a carrier so badly! Sorry if I sound cynical; I am. It's important for me to serve my country, otherwise I wouldn't be here, but I'd rather start a family with my wife than go to sea for 6-9 months against my will.
I hope I will meet the challenge the Navy has placed before me, and I will work my ass off to become an aviator. I have no reason to want to get out, but if I attrited that would certainly change. There are more important things in life than staying in the military at all costs - it's sad, but it almost seems like the military is the only thing of value in many servicemen's lives.
version2point0
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seriously, i told ppl about the benefits of BDCP and one of them said no because they never want to always have a boss above them... it took me a sec to understand that one 
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JayManC
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so how does this "general release" affect BDCP candidates? I see all the mention of USNA, ROTC guys and in terms of $$ the navy's prolly invested more in that aspect than a lowly ole e-3 with 18 months of time by commissioning but...if you attrite even with bdcp you're done?
i was talking with an AT buddy of mine about recognizing the possibility that I may not (despite my best efforts) make it through flight school and how it would be stupid not to consider alternates...so being a CIS major, i was like i'd try to get designated as an IT officer to serve out my obligation....so that's not even a possibility anymore? please clarify
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i was talking with an AT buddy of mine about recognizing the possibility that I may not (despite my best efforts) make it through flight school and how it would be stupid not to consider alternates...so being a CIS major, i was like i'd try to get designated as an IT officer to serve out my obligation....so that's not even a possibility anymore? please clarify
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version2point0
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/me kicks in double effort and drive to his *study-your-ass-off* subroutines
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Unfortunately, you can only redesignate to IP (IT)/1605 at the 0-3 level. I talked to the IP detailer..she's an 0-6 and she basically said no chance. And that's considering I have an MS in MIS and 6 yrs of software industry experience, before joining the navy. Go figure.
angelwings
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I'm a May 2003 ROTC grad and have a report date to flight school in December. You mean to tell me if I fail the NAMI I get kicked out of the navy completely (nervous on some medical issues)? Just out of curiosity has anyone looked into CIA?-that would be a back-up plan.
Speaking of medical issues. In the last few months they have actually brought charges against two candidates for lying on their medical. I read lots of things on the forum about guys thinking of not revealing one issue or another. Don't do it. They may be sending DORs home but it looks like they will punish anyone that lies or trys to defraud the Navy.
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