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Europe under extreme duress
- Thread starter Randy Daytona
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Taken down just after posting. It was a clear shot of the final moments of a Embraer Legacy 600 purported to be a Wagner aircraft with their fearless leader on board.
It's all ultimately a big f***ing Ouija board of humans putting all their hands on the thing and sliding it around, promising to follow the rules but, us being the crooked timber of humanity, violating them but then apologizing about it later.
Heck, the same thing goes on in the United States with our Constitution. We hear words like swore an oath to defend it and Constitutional Crisis and etc., all the time, but at the end of the day its just a bunch of people who have agreed in principal to follow it yet constantly test that commitment. There is no lighting bolt from the heavens if we violate the Constitution. It's just us muddling our way through, the crooked timber.
Yet it is better than the alternative.
That probably wasn’t a question of “if,” just “when” and “how.”
Why do you keep harping on genocide? Maybe I’m confused. Can you show me an example of one nation crossing a border and committing genocide on the people of another?
You seem to forget that the UN is not the dominant partner, just the score keeper. You seem to be complaining about the rules…not the fact that most nations follow them fairly well.
Post of the month right here - nice job @taxi1
This is a great anecdote Griz. This makes sense.
What? Why must the genocide be in another state for it to matter to the UN or its signatories? Take another look at the link I posted before... the UN signatories committed to protecting people from genocide carried out even by their own governments, using military force if necessary. Again, I am not arguing the UN is important in any way. Quite the opposite. I am demonstrating how unimportant they, and the "rules based order" they represent, are. I don't think I can be more clear, so I'm not sure why you're confused. I am not complaining about the rules at all. I am arguing there are no rules. I am demonstrating that fact by highlighting that whatever rules you think there are, they are violated all the time, and the violators are almost never punished. If you really don't understand those words, then I can't help you by saying them for a 4th time, so just re-read them or something.
I'd think no way in hell could Putin let Prighozin's betrayal stand and still be perceived as strong, either by the Russian people and/or those maybe inkling to off him.
Ok but the guy on the left is Admiral General Aladeen..
Answer my question.
Of course there are rules between nations…I explained them in very easy to follow terms. But twice you kept veering back to genocide. I have done work for the UN (a deeply flawed organization) and the charter does not contain the word genocide although that, along with domestic violence and sexually transmitted diseases are major UN causes. (I feel confident that no nation will go to war over gonorrhea despite your “free for all” take on global politics). But…the UN charter specifically notes that their efforts are based “in conformity with the principles of justice and international law.” The rules exist and nations use them quite regularly but they were never designed to be a suicide pact like we saw in WWI. Using your example, it is obvious small nations voted again an investigation of China’s treatment of Muslims because that would have jeopardized their Chinese money and investments (an economics based decision) - but I promise you the situation would change dramatically if China were to invade, say, Vietnam.
Grizz,
Have you ever had to explain to your significant other why she needs to get a penicillin shot because of your kidney infection? Its serious business, and nothing to trifle with.