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Fire Suppression Crashes
- Thread starter scoober78
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Ya, they are like FacA for the drops.
You'd be surprised at how many sorties these guys generate in a single day during the heat of the season. Sure, it's not like the gulf during OIF, but you catch my drift. I grew up watching these guys operate every summer out of KMFR and KLMT. Their turn-around on deck is about 10 minutes, then they're off again, all day long.
They fly planes that were flown hard by the military then pulled out of the boneyard then flown harder in some of the toughest conditions what else would we expect? They were flying Privateers until 2002!! They belonged in museums or on the warbird circuit, not fighting fires.
Here is the Wikipedia page with the two major accidents in 2002, the aftereffects of which are felt today by the much reduced aerial tanker fleet. Kind of sad that we can't invest in new planes to put into the fight.
CALFIRE has those, owned and operated by the State of California with a contract pilot and a firefighter observer to control the 'attack'. They also have S-2Ts flown by contract pilots including 'Hoser' Satrapa as of 2008. All that courtesy this thread!
I watched old P-3s drop on fires years before I flew in one. I suspect that a lot of the P-3s that the Navy gets rid of will end up in this venue eventually.They fly planes that were flown hard by the military then pulled out of the boneyard then flown harder in some of the toughest conditions what else would we expect? They were flying Privateers until 2002!! They belonged in museums or on the warbird circuit, not fighting fires.
Here is the Wikipedia page with the two major accidents in 2002, the aftereffects of which are felt today by the much reduced aerial tanker fleet. Kind of sad that we can't invest in new planes to put into the fight.
CALFIRE has those, owned and operated by the State of California with a contract pilot and a firefighter observer to control the 'attack'. They also have S-2Ts flown by contract pilots including 'Hoser' Satrapa as of 2008. All that courtesy this thread!
Malo83
Keep the Faith
This pic is PB4Y Privateer Tanker 123I'm sure they've been generating plenty of sorties this season thus far. Law of averages & coincidence - it's bound to happen.
From the June 3 Neptune mishap. Pretty unsettling pic:
Yes, but do they fly much in spring, winter, or late fall? Or every day in the summer? Average it out....
That video was very "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald". The comments paint a pretty scathing picture of industry practices that seems hard to deny in light of their flight hour/class A ratio...
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's all concentrated into a few months, so it's statistically more likely to happen during the season. I think we're talking about different things here.
Lots of hate and discontent in that message section, although I'm not sure how much credence I'd give to some of the crusaders on there, especially those who claim to old some secret knowledges. I'd be curious as to the actual mishap/sortie rate by airframe for some of these aircraft. I also wonder how the contractor fleets compare to state owned ones like CAL FIRE.
Here's an interesting article about Aero Union: http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen.../aero-union-fighting-to-survive.html?page=all
The most important stuff is about halfway down discussing the safety of the aircraft. I'm suprised they didn't do something along the lines of what the Navy has done with the Orion, unless it either costs too much or doesn't allow them to fly the way they need to, which I find hard to believe. Either way, if they can't maintain FAA compliance then they're doomed from the beginning.
The most important stuff is about halfway down discussing the safety of the aircraft. I'm suprised they didn't do something along the lines of what the Navy has done with the Orion, unless it either costs too much or doesn't allow them to fly the way they need to, which I find hard to believe. Either way, if they can't maintain FAA compliance then they're doomed from the beginning.
Interesting read. Seems far fetched that the Forest Service would somehow get the FAA to falsely claim that the contractor was out of compliance just so the FS could "get out" of its contractual obligations. Sounds like poorly executed media spin control by a contractor who isn't complying with maintenance requirements.
