DesertRooster
The King of Nothing
We should go back to George Washington's Strategy of keeping to ourselves
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French getting another round of "inshallah"
- Thread starter picklesuit
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I think it is a valid counterpoint to some of the more xenophobic responses immigration and taking in refugees, we are after all a nation of immigrants many of whom fled religious persecution.
Didn't work in either world war, not sure how it would work now.
Some of the responses on both sides have been appalling. You're right, from the right the xenophobia is stifling but not without some valid points. On the left, the moral "enlightenment" some are trying to display is frustrating and inaccurate. I'm sure plenty of the refugees are great people with a lot of talent, but I'm sure some are also associated with ISIS as in the case with one of the French terrorists. It's a stupid argument to make because it doesn't mean anything. You can "what if" and find examples to support your agenda all you want but that won't change the fact of the situation in which we're in right now.
On the Statue of Liberty is says "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and it was a gift from the French people. As a nation, that is something we need to remember. That being said, it's incredibly dangerous to indiscriminately allow refugees into this country because there is a very real danger. So, what do we do? I honestly don't know or think there is a good answer.
We don't 'indiscriminately allow refugees into this country', they have to go through security checks like other immigrants. Are those foolproof? No, but from what I know we haven't had any domestic attacks by refugees in this country in recent memory.
I don't think that has been borne out by the record of the refugees we have accepted from the region in the past few decades.
Not that we've accepted, but: http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-passports/
Granted, this is only one out of an estimated 4 million so the numbers are good and the majority of the attackers were French nationals. Still, there are a lot of issues with accepting a large amount of refugees. Assimilation, supporting them, etc. I'm not saying we don't do it, but there are a lot of things that need to be considered.
Granted, this is only one out of an estimated 4 million so the numbers are good and the majority of the attackers were French nationals. Still, there are a lot of issues with accepting a large amount of refugees. Assimilation, supporting them, etc. I'm not saying we don't do it, but there are a lot of things that need to be considered.
We're all dumber for having read this.
Very true, and your point is what's being misunderstood by the general public and a bunch of reactionary Governors. The State Depts. vetting of asylum seekers (refugees) is a process different from someone getting off of a Delta flight from wherever, getting through customs at JFK, and disappearing.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
They need to hold land and establish rule over the population to collect taxes. As for sympathizers, according to the economist, that money pales in comparison to the revenue gained from smuggling oil.
The way they generate revenue is more akin to drug cartels in South America. You can't cut those guys off with a demand-side approach or attempting to interdict their supply lines, what makes you think it'll work with ISIS?
Which is again fighting the last war. The goal of a war with ISIS isn't to liberate people from a dictator and show them how great democracy is, it's to eliminate the enemy and install a government that doesn't support global attacks on western societies.
My point is that by calling them a state, we can have a well defined enemy that doesn't start a polarized debate between xenophobes who want to nuke the middle east and SJWs who think Muslims are just a misunderstood and oppressed people. Instead of arguing how peaceful or violent the religion of Islam is, or debating whether to call them jihadists or Islamic extremists, we can focus on waging war on ISIS, who governs a fairly well defined territory.
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This is paramount to claiming a Caliphate. The amount of tax revenue is no where as important as imposing sharia law. Refineries are easier to find than a drug processing facility in the jungle, and they blow up real good.
I don't claim to be an expert on ISIS's finances, but if they are making money from oil, that should be pretty easy to remedy. Destroy the wells, storage, transportation, and other infrastructure.
How is that all that different from the "last war?"
The proposed security checks take 18 months. During that time the refugees are not waiting outside some sort of gate waiting for their name to be called. They are ADMITTED into the country DURING the vetting process. So yes, if you were inclined to do evil you can just disappear. And just how is one to accomplish a thorough background check for people from a country torn by civil war where we have virtual no assets. Going to knock on the neighbor's door are we? Email a former employer for a reference? Ask the Syrian government if they have a criminal record? Security check my ass.
Since the President is quickly emptying Gitmo and it currently has capacity, send the refugees there to cool their heels until the vetting is done.
Bingo..........I'm hoping that there isn't an unclass reason why we aren't blowing the shit out of this infrastructure.