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Dawgfan

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Interesting that you reference "real world" and VAQ. The squadron that was "there" was expeditionary, and Red Flag was cited as a positive for the ability to integrate with US and coalition forces. There is no replacement for Airwing Fallon for fighting from the boat. It's important to remember that not all VAQ comes from the boat.
 

Brett327

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Interesting that you reference "real world" and VAQ. The squadron that was "there" was expeditionary, and Red Flag was cited as a positive for the ability to integrate with US and coalition forces. There is no replacement for Airwing Fallon for fighting from the boat. It's important to remember that not all VAQ comes from the boat.
I think we're talking about different aspects of employment. Like I said, any LFE is good training, but the devil is in the details. I've deployed with an AEF to do real SEAD. Joint or not, It's not how we want to operate.
 

Jamin'G

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As to my comment about Red Flag being thorough, it wasn't in any reference to Fallon, being that I've not done much flying there (aside from some small fighter weps scenarios and BFM stuff). What I liked about Red Flag is that it forced you to analyze a complex IADS network while designing a best fit EA gameplan providing protection for a wide variety and significant number of fighter/striker platforms, all the while dealing with the constraints of time and limited information. Addtionally, from an expeditionary squadron's perspective (as Dawgfan alluded to), these are the individuals we deal with in actual combat scenarios (not necessarily the Carrier Airwing). It's good to get a heads up on how they operate before we have to do so in a wartime situation. While it is true that the Air Force doesn't necessarily understand our business all that well, this doesn't preclude us from coming up with a EA solution that is well-planned, robust, and fully capable of keeping them safe whether they comprehend how we do so or not. Sometimes when we're back at home field and busy with our ground jobs, we brief a flight to go out and practice SACT or to go do a section low-level. While these flights are great fun, from a training perspective, the level of planning and execution is not the same as put forth to protect a 75 aircraft VUL where both the risk and the reward are much higher. That's all I was getting at.

To the point of the thread, looks like we should have a good showing! Thanks for getting the word out!

Cheers
 

ea6bflyr

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Interesting that you reference "real world" and VAQ. The squadron that was "there" was expeditionary, and Red Flag was cited as a positive for the ability to integrate with US and coalition forces. There is no replacement for Airwing Fallon for fighting from the boat. It's important to remember that not all VAQ comes from the boat.

Air Wing Fallon is designed to teach Air Wings how to fight over land, not from the boat. There are other training evolutions that teach carrier based aircraft how to execute maritime strike and they are not in Fallon.

-ea6bflyr ;)
 

MasterBates

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If Airwing Fallon was accurate, there would be a broken E-2 sitting on a taxiway or on the runway, with ATs swarming over it, blocking the rest of the strike from taking off. And Ground/Tower would have a lot more senior (and angry) man on the other side of the radio.

(my rule.. If NFO shit is what's broken, YOU talk to Boss/Rep, as I don't know what having a fried dohuckacoaxiadohickie means to the capabilities)
 

Recovering LSO

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Air Wing Fallon is designed to teach Air Wings how to fight over land, not from the boat. There are other training evolutions that teach carrier based aircraft how to execute maritime strike and they are not in Fallon.

-ea6bflyr ;)
What!? What airwing do you know of that deploys to a runway? Yes, you obviously fly over land - because that's where the range is... Air Wings = CVNs = power projection FROM a boat...
 

ea6bflyr

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What!? What airwing do you know of that deploys to a runway? Yes, you obviously fly over land - because that's where the range is... Air Wings = CVNs = power projection FROM a boat...

So when was the last time anyone did a Case II launch and/or recovery at Fallon. When did they park an aircraft carrier in Fallon?

My point was that you learn over land Strike missions at Fallon, NOT boat ops. Navy planes usually come from the boat, but not always. AWF does not teach you how to fight FROM the boat.

He probably means TSTA, C2X, JTFX, Etc.

Yes Brett, you learn and get to do MARITIME Strike FROM the boat during the listed exercises.

-ea6bflyr ;)
 

Recovering LSO

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There is no replacement for Airwing Fallon for fighting from the boat.

@ ea6bflyer - at the risk of speaking for my friend, I submit his intent with "fighting from the boat" implied organic CVW strike packages - which CVW NFL does a very good job of.

So when was the last time anyone did a Case II launch and/or recovery at Fallon. When did they park an aircraft carrier in Fallon?
When's the last time you were at NFL when the wx required all players to shoot TACANs and/or PARs? Seen a holding stack at the initial? Its a good thing they're all boat trained ;)

you learn and get to do MARITIME Strike FROM the boat during the listed exercises.
but more importantly you get to crush your ready rooms and maintainers to make the metric morons happy.
 
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