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Helo Dunker Video

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AllAmerican75 said:
Why did the Navy get rid of the Dilbert Dunker, if anyone is privy to that information?

My guess? With the quality of seats in aircraft now, your chances of ditching are low. The NACES has never failed. *knock on wood*
 

nocal80

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AllAmerican75 said:
Why did the Navy get rid of the Dilbert Dunker, if anyone is privy to that information?

I think that was for simulating ditching in a tactical aircraft and then egressing under water. Ejecting is preferred over ditching, which you would do in the event your seat didn't fire I guess. the navy must have figured the likelihood of that happening was very small and not worth training for.
 

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Having been to NAS JAX, Miramar, and Mainside, I've never seen the Dilbert Dunker anywhere but PNS. It was my understanding that it was for just T-34 training, as you never used it for regular fleet recurrence. So, like Retread is saying, why pay for it at PNS when no one else pays for it. Especially when you have to move it and make room for it at the new, Post-Ivan, pool.

But maybe I'm mistaken.
 

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gatordev said:
Having been to NAS JAX, Miramar, and Mainside, I've never seen the Dilbert Dunker anywhere but PNS. It was my understanding that it was for just T-34 training, as you never used it for regular fleet recurrence. So, like Retread is saying, why pay for it at PNS when no one else pays for it. Especially when you have to move it and make room for it at the new, Post-Ivan, pool.

But maybe I'm mistaken.

I've seen them elsewhere, gathering dust before they were hauled out to make room for other torture devices. It was eliminated in 80s I believe when ditching a fast mover was no longer considered a viable option.
 

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Anybody else notice how unenthusiastically the guy with talking off camera said "Looks like they all made it."


And yeah it looks like fun in a masacistic kind of way.
 

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I'll tell you what's fun... releasing your sealtbelt early and watching the whole thing rotate around you like a big washing machine drum. Then you get to ride again. Oh, the memories...:D
 

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sevenhelmet said:
I'll tell you what's fun... releasing your sealtbelt early and watching the whole thing rotate around you like a big washing machine drum. Then you get to ride again. Oh, the memories...:D

Standby for the latest fromt he folks who want to make it even more realistic...

Miramar unveiled the latest 9D6 Multiplace Egress Trainer in January that features functioning doors and windows and reconfigurable seats to match various helo types. The fun part is the use of buoyancy tanks so roll is unpredictable. Think of the memories this device will create for generations to come. I'm sure folks won't want to wait until they have to renew their quals...they'll be lining up at the door to get a ride. :tongue2_1
 

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heyjoe said:
Standby for the latest fromt he folks who want to make it even more realistic...

Miramar unveiled the latest 9D6 Multiplace Egress Trainer in January that features functioning doors and windows and reconfigurable seats to match various helo types. The fun part is the use of buoyancy tanks so roll is unpredictable. Think of the memories this device will create for generations to come. I'm sure folks won't want to wait until they have to renew their quals...they'll be lining up at the door to get a ride. :tongue2_1
I did my requal at Miramar last year and they've made it considerably less painful. It was 1 ride any exit w/ blindfold then 2 rides where the thing only went in about half way and remained upright. The drill was basically to work the door, grab a bunch of safety gear and get your shipmates out. More like a fixed wing ditching scenario. I for one, appreciated the reduced volume of water in my sinuses. :D Whidbey has an interesting version of the pool exercise where they turn out the lights in the pool area and they have a bunch of high speed Hollywood sound and light effects to simulate a storm. They make you actually use your radio, get in various rafts and do the hoist rides. Definitely more entertaining.

Brett
 

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Brett327 said:
I did my requal at Miramar last year and they've made it considerably less painful. It was 1 ride any exit w/ blindfold then 2 rides where the thing only went in about half way and remained upright. The drill was basically to work the door, grab a bunch of safety gear and get your shipmates out. More like a fixed wing ditching scenario. I for one, appreciated the reduced volume of water in my sinuses. :D Whidbey has an interesting version of the pool exercise where they turn out the lights in the pool area and they have a bunch of high speed Hollywood sound and light effects to simulate a storm. They make you actually use your radio, get in various rafts and do the hoist rides. Definitely more entertaining.

Brett

When I did Mirramar a few years ago, they had the "dramatic" version where they play the helo sound and hose you down w/ the water. Obviously they can't turn out the lights there. In PNS for my requal, they did the full show; lights, water, thunder, and helo sounds. Having been on the other side of the real thing in some crappy weather, I thought they did a pretty good job.
 

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I thought my first swim qual in Pensacola was a free E-ticket ride. Each requal since I just dread more every time. I'm either lamer or smarter, or maybe both.
 

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I just hate that g*ddamn squirrel cage/SWEAT trainer. That is the worst and most useless, with or without a HABD and especially w/ a HEED.
 

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gatordev said:
I just hate that g*ddamn squirrel cage/SWEAT trainer. That is the worst and most useless, with or without a HABD and especially w/ a HEED.
yeah, not a big fan of the SWEAT trainer...especially when the HABD bottle doesn't want to give you air.
 

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Yup, which is always suspicously when it's time for the goggle run through both cages. I always end up getting lost in the the damn thing and unknowingly exiting early before I've "made it" to the door.
 

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gatordev said:
Yup, which is always suspicously when it's time for the goggle run through both cages. I always end up getting lost in the the damn thing and unknowingly exiting early before I've "made it" to the door.

Hate that thing... they need walls on that sh!t... it's so easy to think you've made it and find out you're still in the middle of it.
 

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Pags said:
yeah, not a big fan of the SWEAT trainer...especially when the HABD bottle doesn't want to give you air.

"Oh yeah, that thing has 100 psi in it--that's plenty. You don't need to trade it out."

I enjoyed the pool more before they got contractors running it.
 
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