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Hey Navy, We’re Doing This Aviation Thing All Wrong

pourts

former Marine F/A-18 pilot & FAC, current MBA stud
pilot
Robo-SEAD would get really ugly really quick, you need a man in the loop to tell all those trons apart and even then we will have blue on blue incidents.

I am no Prowler guy (just a HARM truck at best really) but your "blue on blue" comment makes no sense. SEAD is typically a low fratricide risk mission, as far as missions go. In fact, the only mission I can think of with less fratricide risk is Armed Recce or MIR (or ISR or whatever acronym you want to use to say recon).
 

pourts

former Marine F/A-18 pilot & FAC, current MBA stud
pilot
I believe the expendability of drones is something to be capitalized upon.

You have a small herd of relatively inexpensive aircraft that can be both an ISR and weapons platform acting in concert with overhead C&C and ISR assets. Use this herd in a manner combining some of the small-boat swarm tactics we see our Persian friends developing and the Kamikaze tactics our Japanese friends and Al-Qaeda friends have polished, you have quite a formidable force.

While I, as an aviator, am personally offended at the idea of unmanned flight; I can really see the advantages offered.

I don't think anyone should argue for all or nothing WRT manned/unmanned aviation. Instead, it should be a matter if integration of forces. UAV's are here, now what is the best way to use them?
Pickle

The current reality is ironically much different.

We have manned combat aircraft flying HVAAP missions for UAVs. Twilight zone.
 

Flash

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I am no Prowler guy (just a HARM truck at best really) but your "blue on blue" comment makes no sense. SEAD is typically a low fratricide risk mission, as far as missions go. In fact, the only mission I can think of with less fratricide risk is Armed Recce or MIR (or ISR or whatever acronym you want to use to say recon).

The frequency spectrum is a very crowded place where one emitter can look an awful lot like another if you don't know what you are looking at, I saw plenty of those mistakes as an EP-3 guy. The jamming part of SEAD is pretty low risk to friendly forces but a HARM being fired at a friendly radar has happened before and there would be a lot more risk in a more crowded and contested battlefield. The last thing I want is a UAV roaming around trying to kill radars being spooked and spoofed by anything that looks like a SAM radar.
 

Renegade One

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The current reality is ironically much different.

We have manned combat aircraft flying HVAAP missions for UAVs. Twilight zone.
OMG. I think the whole "point" of UAS is (was?) to do the "dull (12+ hours…), dangerous (whatever you may read into that…) and dirty (CBRN environments…)" missions. Putting up carbon-based life-forms to "escort" them totally negates the whole purpose…IMHO.
 

BigRed389

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OMG. I think the whole "point" of UAS is (was?) to do the "dull (12+ hours…), dangerous (whatever you may read into that…) and dirty (CBRN environments…)" missions. Putting up carbon-based life-forms to "escort" them totally negates the whole purpose…IMHO.

In this context it actually seems to make sense.

Need "something" to deter them from just taking them out during "peacetime," or it just gets expensive for us.
 

Flash

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OMG. I think the whole "point" of UAS is (was?) to do the "dull (12+ hours…), dangerous (whatever you may read into that…) and dirty (CBRN environments…)" missions. Putting up carbon-based life-forms to "escort" them totally negates the whole purpose…IMHO.

Some of it is political, both internal and external, and some of it has to do with airspace rules put up by countries we are flying them out of/over/near. Since they are still relatively 'new' outside the war zones where we either own the airspace or don't care what the country we are flying over thinks there are still plenty of things to work out in the more 'normal' world WRT to airspace coordination and control, etc.

That and they are a VERY big political hot potato in most of the rest of the real world, the mere mention of 'drones' being based somewhere will make a lot of the locals flip their shit and think we are going to smote them with a Hellfire on their way to the club in their Kia after they posted some vaguely anti-American screed that was picked up by the omniscient NSA. You would think I was kidding.......Having a manned aircraft keeping an eye on a UAV while it prowls around for evildoers assuages some governments that are just starting to allow UAVs in country.
 

pourts

former Marine F/A-18 pilot & FAC, current MBA stud
pilot
How about this: make a list of missions that generally have a higher risk of frat than SEAD. --that list is long.

Now, make a list of missions that generally have a lower risk of frat than SEAD. -- that list is short.

Get it? The impending arrival of the AARGM even furthers this point.

Of all the missions I do that I believe might be easiest for a drone to take over, SEAD is right up there at the top. Especially if it is pre-planned SEAD for a strike. Reactive SEAD is a little different.
 

jmcquate

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The only blue on blue SEAD I can think of was a Brit Tornado taking a shot at a Patriot battery that took a shot at him.
 
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