Yes. All 60s have a hoist and a hover coupler. A BLK I is completely fine for a SARDET or a USNS DET, but all those birds can do is SAR or LOG.
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Clearly I have been out of the Navy for awhile, but this seems very confusing. I get the transition from HSL to HSM...pretty much the same missions just upgraded capabilities. But now there is HSM expeditionary (traditional HSL deployments) and HSM on CV. So what is HSC? It's not HS and HC, because they do no ASW. They claim to have an overland capability, but apparently training and equipment fielding make that a tenuous claim. ASUW? But they lack the sensors to acquire targets. VERTREP and logistics? OK...but why not just HC? HSC is deploying on USNS ships too, correct?
What exactly is HSC?
A question seeking an answer in multiple threads.
They do do VERTREP/LOG, and the BLK 3 birds can carry ordnance so they're used along with HSM for SCAR. And apparently if you have a firetruck and a friendly crowd with cell phone cameras, they can do CSAR.
HSM=HSL+ASW bits of HS
HSC=HC+SUW&CSAR bits of HS
HSC has multiple Block configurations of aircraft. The first 60Ss went to the old HC squadrons to replace 46s in the LHD SARDET and USNS missions. To do these missions they needed a help that didn't roll motors every day but they didn't need all the Gucci warfighting gear because the details were only expected to be in the Stbd D Or flying LOG flights. Block 2 aircraft were supposed to do AMCM but the aircraft got to the fleet before AMCM did. There are actually Block 3A and 3B aircraft. I don't remember what the point of a 3A was but the 3B is the Helo you'd want to fly if people might be shooting at you or if you want to shoot at people. At first the 3Bs went to the carrier squadrons but eventually the 3Bs replaced most (all?) of the deployers because operational commanders wanted capability and community leadership wanted to provide that capability.
Not surprised to hear that they burned up all the hours on the 3Bs doing Stbd D and LOG. I get the overarching desire by operational leadership and community leadership to have one config that can do it all such as a 3B 60S or a Rhino but the flip side to that desire is that you end up burning up expensive airframes doing things like LOG, Stbd D, and tanking.
Take your time forklift guy...
I finally found that community missive I had mentioned earlier that contained the tidbit about wanting the new HT trainer to replace the SAR DET birds.
"With the right acquisition approach, we could also use the AHTS (Advanced Helicopter Training System) aircraft to fulfill Station SAR requirements, which would simplify contractor-support requirements and return MH-60S aircraft to the Fleet."
"With the right acquisition approach, we could also use the AHTS (Advanced Helicopter Training System) aircraft to fulfill Station SAR requirements, which would simplify contractor-support requirements and return MH-60S aircraft to the Fleet."
That's actually a decent idea, at least at first glance.
If the new HT trainer has the performance and payload for a high DA HOGE to hoist and fly away with, let's say at least two survivors, then that's not a bad idea. What does a -60 cost per flight hour nowadays? I bet the winner for the new HT trainer, whichever one they pick, comes in around $2k/hr or a lot less than a slick 60S. All of the contenders are more substantial helicopters than the "mighty" 57, which can barely takeoff with two pilots, one pax, and full fuel.
If each fleet squadron got a midlife former SAR det bird/homeguard truck, that would make a good flight schedule workhorse for basic day/night/NVG/SAR currency. That would save the better configured aircraft for tactics currency and deployments.
I don't much care one way or the other, but I'm glad to see the community weenies discussing these things.
So not a H135 then, is what you're saying?
Is there some kind of distro for these?
I know a guy who flies a 119, but I haven't been able to climb around in it to compare. The 135 is okay cabin-space wise, although you'd have to twist the litter to get it in, a la a 407. But the 135 runs out of ass pretty quick when you start increasing DA. That's all I was saying.
The 145 has French doors on the back of the fuselage. The 135 doesn't?
I literally had it e-mailed down from a friend to a friend to a friend. I recognized every name that it was forwarded from so it seemed like a legit source. I haven't gotten any besides this one probably because I am at the HTs and it had some HT flavor to it.