It doesn't help that Army 60s have the ridiculous IDLE-to-OFF spring-loaded lock.
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Stingerhawk
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Foundational is the goal of undergraduate training right?
This whole discussion/debate about full autos is purely opinion based about the effectiveness of continuing the training for the Navy instead of leaving it completely to simulation like they are doing at Rucker because of the limitations of the UH-72..... I just simply think its worthwhile.
But practice full autos are fun...
Stingerhawk
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Fun is not authorized at Rucker.
Not with that attitude
It is very difficult to get the PCLs - I'm not sure I'd have managed it if I hadn't started before the nose broke - and simulators can't prepare you for how fast the nose will snap on you at takeoff power with an actual drive failure.
I've advised people to make sure they know what to do if a drive failure hits too fast to do any crew coordination. with the location of the PCLs in the 60 you are going to run out of hands and have to priortize.
man, quit pissing on our dick contestThe point on autos is moot, since NAVAIR already weighed in and specified "repeated, frequent, daily autos to touchdown with no inspection required" in the RFPSo some O-8 already made the call and HX-21 backed it up - so thats the go forward modality
Huh?
I didn't know we had been asked (including before my time).
Arrrrgh! And yet somehow the new guys coming out of Rucker seem to already have the bad habit of holding in the lock when they pull the PCLs out of fly. This of course is not required and it defeats the purpose of the locks. And then another common screw up is to put their thumb on the starter switch instead of the lock when shutting down.
As for keys? I think it is just to counter this sort of thing. As an interesting side note, we actually have one aircraft whose #2 engine will start with the key off or not even in the ignition.
And then there is the cyclic mounted stabilator slew up switch.
No one asked us peons in the Army before they chose the LUH as a training aircraft. This was all wrapped up in the Army's budget and agenda to replace AD 58s and bolster their 64 fleet. So they take 64s and LUHs from the guard and give the guard broken down 60s. The actual politics don't matter so much as the fact that the LUH choice was based more on politics than training requirements.
Yes, Rucker sucks. But that is a thread better communicated over beers, and even then not very interesting. In addition to going to Rucker for seven courses over the past nine years, I've been to all three national guard training sites (EAATS, WAATS and HAATS). They all do a much better job than Rucker. BTW, HAATS had some of the best flying I've had in my career.
Not that anyone on this forum is being asked, but for the love of all that is Holy, do not use what the Army does at Rucker as an example to follow.
If we do that then we'll end up with a generation who is afraid to fly in IMC. We already had one "ASAP" report out of the HTs this year, from some instructor who described, in great detail, why he/she did not like having to fly BIs and RIs the TH-57 at night without his NVGs.
As for ASAP, since it is anonymous, it is impossible to use that report to figure out who needs to turn in their wings (and man card) and go to their safe space.
Nope. (My opinion)