International Burn a Qu'ran Day

[jmcquate]

We have a federally funded Crucifix in a jar of urine. Body count…..0. Let’s stop the moral equivalence crap.

Don’t get me wrong, whatever was done was incredibly stupid, but the reaction to it is what’s wrong with that little slice of the world.

 

[Brett327]

We have a federally funded Crucifix in a jar of urine. Body count…..0. Let’s stop the moral equivalence crap.

Don’t get me wrong, whatever was done was incredibly stupid, but the reaction to it is what’s wrong with that little slice of the world.

It's not moral equivalence, as I already stated. Reading comprehension, people. I know it's easier to be polarized about this, but I think the nuance is worth considering. Know your enemy, and know yourself. I think some Asian guy said that.

 

[MasterBates]

You know respectful burning is actually the proper way to dispose of a Koran?

This was a bunch of savages looking for a reason to be pissed off.

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[PropStop]

You know respectful burning is actually the proper way to dispose of a Koran?

This was a bunch of savages looking for a reason to be pissed off.

Back to my original thesis - fuck them.

These people have a track record of flying off the handle at the slightest provocation (kill a few nuns completely unrelated to a picture some Dutch cartoonist drew? Why not!). Roger, something we need to understand and avoid if we're forced to deal with them (which we are). Telling them to grow up won't work... They're like a poorly behaved child. You have to deal with them, you know if they don't get their ice cream they're going to throw a tantrum and wreck the dinner table, but you have to just clean up and move on.

Wow, does that come across as ethnocentric or what? Well, i'm tired of looking for the moderate muslims in the middle east to stop the madness. I guess if you're moderate you've already bailed on that crap hole and come to the US.

I could rant further, but it would accomplish nothing.

 

[jmcquate]

It's not moral equivalence, as I already stated. Reading comprehension, people. I know it's easier to be polarized about this, but I think the nuance is worth considering. Know your enemy, and know yourself. I think some Asian guy said that.

I get your point Brett
.....but it was still a little bit of a moral equivalence. Never been a fan of said Asian guy. I'm more of a Grant/Sherman type.

 

[jmcquate]

You know respectful burning is actually the proper way to dispose of a Koran?

This was a bunch of savages looking for a reason to be pissed off.

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I thought they were buried in caves.

 

[MasterBates]

Burning is acceptable, at least according to the engineer that was sitting across the desk from me when i posted it earlier. He's a devout Muslim, Sunni if it makes a difference.

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[Brett327]

Back to my original thesis - fuck them.

These people have a track record of flying off the handle at the slightest provocation (kill a few nuns completely unrelated to a picture some Dutch cartoonist drew? Why not!). Roger, something we need to understand and avoid if we're forced to deal with them (which we are). Telling them to grow up won't work... They're like a poorly behaved child. You have to deal with them, you know if they don't get their ice cream they're going to throw a tantrum and wreck the dinner table, but you have to just clean up and move on.

Wow, does that come across as ethnocentric or what? Well, i'm tired of looking for the moderate muslims in the middle east to stop the madness. I guess if you're moderate you've already bailed on that crap hole and come to the US.

I could rant further, but it would accomplish nothing.

I agree, but the time to make that point was before we got involved in the proverbial "land war in Asia." The idea that we would convert these people into a functioning democracy was laughable from the outset, and now we're relearning just how difficult the COIN strategy is in a place that is diametrically opposed to us in so many ways. We overemphasized the notion that al Qaeda's sanctuary in Taliban led Afghanistan was somehow pivotal to their ability to plan and execute terrorist actions against the west. These things can be planned in any city in the world, using the internet to coordinate. In retrospect, a CT strategy (SOF/Reaper strikes and law enforcement) is a much better use of our resources and it focuses out efforts on the real bad guys.

Brett

 

[Brett327]

I get your point Brett
.....but it was still a little bit of a moral equivalence. Never been a fan of said Asian guy. I'm more of a Grant/Sherman type.

Isn't that a bit oxymoronic? Like almost perfect? Why no love for master Sun? The war colleges of all the services hold him in pretty high esteem. Anyhow, Sun Tzu is a theorist, Grant and Sherman were practitioners, perhaps strategists, but that's a stretch.

Brett

 

[jmcquate]

Isn't that a bit oxymoronic? Like almost perfect? Why no love for master Sun? The war colleges of all the services hold him in pretty high esteem. Anyhow, Sun Tzu is a theorist, Grant and Sherman were practitioners, perhaps strategists, but that's a stretch.

Brett

No, Grant and Sherman were theorist, strategists and practitioners, they just didn't know it at the time. But I digress from the thread. Would like to discuss in a different forum.

 

[Jim123]

"The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude."

 

[Brett327]

No, Grant and Sherman were theorist, strategists and practitioners, they just didn't know it at the time. But I digress from the thread. Would like to discuss in a different forum.

Sure, PM me your theory on their theorist status.

 

[Flash]

Despite their ability to repel invaders for centuries & their ability to murder each other since time immemorial, the average afghan is as dumb as a fencepost and less well-educated. I think the finer distinctions of Koran disposal are pretty much lost on them - which is no excuse for their stupid behavior or our president's in apologizing to these jerks the same day they kill two of our servicemen. You would think the World's Smartest Man could see a slight difference between an inadverdent book-burning and cold-blooded murder.

So is there no excuse for what General Allen did then? The folks rioting are a minority, they are trying to reach the majority who aren't rioting in the streets.

 

[Brett327]

So is there no excuse for what General Allen did then? The folks rioting are a minority, they are trying to reach the majority who aren't rioting in the streets.

No Flash, the Afghan people are all part of a hive-collective monolithic organism. They act as one.

 

[MasterBates]

If Joe Average in Kabul is not upset about it, then why don't THEY deal with the riotous shitheads?