OCS Is it possible at this point in my life?

[exNavyOffRec]

He's saying don't give up until its official. Even though we had two OR recruting SME's pretty much tell him its a no-go, it's not official until he's denied at the NRD level. If he quits now from advice he got on a message board, he might spend his whole life thinking "what if..."

RUFIO and I didn't even mention that since he is still on probation that makes him ineligible to even start the process.

 

[Brett327]

Would you make that retarded comment to a quadruple amputee? GFY.

No, which is precisely my point. I would never give that obviously unqualified person false hope. Now who's being PC?

 

[HAL Pilot]

The multifacetedness of Ken's post is why I gave it a like...

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

This thread has dragged on too long. For Ken, I understand the whole "fighting the odds" but in this case, there aren't any odds. The OP has four felonies and currently on probation. Even if he had just one, that will be a no-go for further processing.

These facts are coming from just us wanting to shoot down any applicant that comes our way. This is coming from the RECRUITING MANUAL (RECRUITMAN) that lays down eligibility factors.

 

[Jacob Shon]

Hey All. I do appreciate the whole "you miss all the shots you don't take" mentality from Ken however, I do understand that actions have consequences and rules are rules. Which is why I respect RUFIO and the others. Granted I am still on probation, so all this talk is just a dream. What about if I them dropped to misdemeanors? This charges were non-violent, and I can talk with my lawyer and PO. Or would that not make any difference as well?

Is there any link to the recruiting manual that I can read and research?

 

[azguy]

FYI, nothing is every expunged when it comes to the US Gov't, they can see all, in my current job that has a gov't link the question candidates are asked is "have you ever .........." we have had people with expunged/sealed felonies that we had to turn away.

Question for you and @RUFiO181 partially to help out the OP, but also for my own edification. I know that for people already already on active duty, the USN is actually very good at deferring to the final adjudication of a case. Is it not the same for recruits?

Sea story time: JO gets arrested/charged with a DUI- a big time misdemeanor, if not a felony in some states. Normally a total career ender, in fact, this JO was taken off the LTJG promotion list and spent 3+ years as an ENS while the case was pending. He then hired a good lawyer and pled the charges down to a more innocuous crime. As a result, he was promoted and back-paid to LTJG and has since put on O-3. I actually know more than one person with a very similar story.

While I take your point @NavyOffRec that Uncle Sam will always "see" arrest reports and reduced or expunged charges, does the NRD defer to the most recent case disposition, or will they treat a felony arrest as felony forever. My guess is somewhere in between; that common sense is applied and each applicant's package is reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

That said, once the OP is off probation and, assuming for a minute, that he expunges all charges, would he still need a waiver to apply?

Yes, sure- I imagine the mere blemish of any kind of theft-related criminal activity as a 24-year-old would simply make him uncompetitive compared to applicants with no such skeletons, so take my question in the abstract (perhaps if there was more time elapsed, crime committed at a younger age, etc)... Would the NRD still treat him as a felon, administratively, based on arrest history?

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

Question for you and @RUFiO181 partially to help out the OP, but also for my own edification. I know that for people already already on active duty, the USN is actually very good at deferring to the final adjudication of a case. Is it not the same for recruits?

Sea story time: JO gets arrested/charged with a DUI- a big time misdemeanor, if not a felony in some states. Normally a total career ender, in fact, this JO was taken off the LTJG promotion list and spent 3+ years as an ENS while the case was pending. He then hired a good lawyer and pled the charges down to a more innocuous crime. As a result, he was promoted and back-paid to LTJG and has since put on O-3. I actually know more than one person with a very similar story.

While I take your point @NavyOffRec that Uncle Sam will always "see" arrest reports and reduced or expunged charges, does the NRD defer to the most recent case disposition, or will they treat a felony arrest as felony forever. My guess is somewhere in between; that common sense is applied and each applicant's package is reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

That said, once the OP is off probation and, assuming for a minute, that he expunges all charges, would he still need a waiver to apply?

Yes, sure- I imagine the mere blemish of any kind of theft-related criminal activity as a 24-year-old would simply make him uncompetitive compared to applicants with no such skeletons, so take my question in the abstract (perhaps if there was more time elapsed, crime committed at a younger age, etc)... Would the NRD still treat him as a felon, administratively, based on arrest history?

Yes, NRC goes off the initial charge as well as the final charge. So for example, if you're arrested for a DUI, charged with a DUI, but gets "knocked down" to say a reckless driving I still have to complete a waiver for a DUI. In the waiver documents, HOWEVER, I will list that the final charge was not a DUI but a reckless driving.

Hope this makes sense...

 

[azguy]

^ Good gouge, thanks.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Question for you and @RUFiO181 partially to help out the OP, but also for my own edification. I know that for people already already on active duty, the USN is actually very good at deferring to the final adjudication of a case. Is it not the same for recruits?

Sea story time: JO gets arrested/charged with a DUI- a big time misdemeanor, if not a felony in some states. Normally a total career ender, in fact, this JO was taken off the LTJG promotion list and spent 3+ years as an ENS while the case was pending. He then hired a good lawyer and pled the charges down to a more innocuous crime. As a result, he was promoted and back-paid to LTJG and has since put on O-3. I actually know more than one person with a very similar story.

While I take your point @NavyOffRec that Uncle Sam will always "see" arrest reports and reduced or expunged charges, does the NRD defer to the most recent case disposition, or will they treat a felony arrest as felony forever. My guess is somewhere in between; that common sense is applied and each applicant's package is reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

That said, once the OP is off probation and, assuming for a minute, that he expunges all charges, would he still need a waiver to apply?

Yes, sure- I imagine the mere blemish of any kind of theft-related criminal activity as a 24-year-old would simply make him uncompetitive compared to applicants with no such skeletons, so take my question in the abstract (perhaps if there was more time elapsed, crime committed at a younger age, etc)... Would the NRD still treat him as a felon, administratively, based on arrest history?

RUFIO covered it well.

During my last sea tour the command I was at stopped taking guys to NJP for DUI's, just let the civilians handle it, one was an LDO ENS I knew, another ended up working for me, both did have to get screened by DAPA which they did need.

 

[Jacob Shon]

Thank you all for the information again! It has been a really great help!

 

[charwakeup]

Hi! Not sure if this is the best thread to post in, but I figure it’s worth a shot. At the least I can provide an update with my outcome so others will know in the future. I have a felony arrest, but all charges were dropped. We are working on my waiver.

Assuming the waiver gets approved, how will this impact my chances?

My other stats are
BS Kinesiology 3.89
ASTB 63 7/6/7
No flight experience, but lots of skydiving experience.

Any advice is welcome! Thanks

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Hi! Not sure if this is the best thread to post in, but I figure it’s worth a shot. At the least I can provide an update with my outcome so others will know in the future. I have a felony arrest, but all charges were dropped. We are working on my waiver.

Assuming the waiver gets approved, how will this impact my chances?

My other stats are
BS Kinesiology 3.89
ASTB 63 7/6/7
No flight experience, but lots of skydiving experience.

Any advice is welcome! Thanks

The amount of impact I would say depends on what happened, why were the charges dropped, and how long ago.

Dropped is better than reduced, but why did they drop it?

 

[charwakeup]

The amount of impact I would say depends on what happened, why were the charges dropped, and how long ago.

Dropped is better than reduced, but why did they drop it?

It was a POCS charge (possession of a controlled substance). The substance tested negative for anything controlled. It was a bunch of “wrong place wrong time” stuff.

I had a version of a cordyceps on me (coming home from a Jiujitsu tournament) which were mistaken for psychedelic mushrooms or synthetic marijuana. I was with some people who had smoked and we were pulled over for speeding. So all charges were dropped when the lab tested them.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

It was a POCS charge (possession of a controlled substance). The substance tested negative for anything controlled. It was a bunch of “wrong place wrong time” stuff.

I had a version of a cordyceps on me (coming home from a Jiujitsu tournament) which were mistaken for psychedelic mushrooms or synthetic marijuana. I was with some people who had smoked and we were pulled over for speeding. So all charges were dropped when the lab tested them.

I hope you have documentation that is was a case of mistaking something for something it wasn't and it was included in your waiver request.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I won’t say impossible but your situation will be close to that. Even if you get a felony waiver approved it will be another uphill battle getting selected for SNA.