Well, if you want to compare body counts, yeah you can do that. I don't have the figures on me though.
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Iwo Jima WW2
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Well, if you want to compare body counts, yeah you can do that. I don't have the figures on me though.
gaijin6423
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Nazi Germany v. Imperial Japan is actually a pretty interesting comparison. Both prided themselves on being neat, orderly societies, with emphasis on duty and obedience. Both focussed on technological, racial and religious superiority, as well as seeking to homogenize their respective populations. Had WW2 ended differently, I wonder how the two states would have dealt with one another.
And as long as we're talking sheer numbers, let's not forget what the Chinese did to their own population during the Great Leap Forward, the subsequent Great Leap Famine, and the Cultural Revolution. And then there's Stalin, of course.
Stalin, when the USSR and Germany were allied during the initial phase of WW2, arranged a visit from Hitler to a small city on the Volga that was populated by ethnic Germans. The USSR government provided them with all kinds of Nazi flags, banners, posters, etc., in order to promote an atmosphere of goodwill towards the Nazis. Then, Germany invaded the Soviet Union, and Stalin had the entire city leveled and the population executed for being pro-Nazi.
And as long as we're talking sheer numbers, let's not forget what the Chinese did to their own population during the Great Leap Forward, the subsequent Great Leap Famine, and the Cultural Revolution. And then there's Stalin, of course.
Stalin, when the USSR and Germany were allied during the initial phase of WW2, arranged a visit from Hitler to a small city on the Volga that was populated by ethnic Germans. The USSR government provided them with all kinds of Nazi flags, banners, posters, etc., in order to promote an atmosphere of goodwill towards the Nazis. Then, Germany invaded the Soviet Union, and Stalin had the entire city leveled and the population executed for being pro-Nazi.
To do that, they would have to make a movie which showed both German AND Japanese atrocities, while portraying Japanese atrocities as "worse". Hollywood is not a single cohesive identity with a unified opinion on any given subject; watch "Schindler's List", "Swing Kids", "Max" and "Downfall" one after the other, and you'll see how apparent this is even in relation to the Holocaust. In other words, there is no exact Hollywood "position" on how to depict the Nazis; thus, there is no point at which the Jews who supposedly "control Hollywood" would be able to say, "we can't make the Japanese look worse than the Nazis".
I highly doubt there would be any resistance to making a movie that showed the Japanese acting more brutally than, say, the Germans in "Saving Private Ryan." At any rate, as DocT noted before, this is a somewhat moot discussion, because the movie in question deals with Iwo Jima, which is not really known because of Japanese atrocities. If it were a movie about Nanking or the Bataan Death March, on the other hand, it would be very interesting to see Hollywood's depiction of what the Japanese did there.
Let's see.... death rate of American POWs in German POW camps around 1%. Death rate of American POWs in Japanese POW camps is 38% to 40% based on which study you reference.
Read "Flyboys" it will give you a better impression of the Japanese culture - much different than the German culture.
Read "Flyboys" it will give you a better impression of the Japanese culture - much different than the German culture.
Riper Snifle
OCC 194 TBS C 03-07
Trailer's out for the movie, looks good! http://www.flagsofourfathers.net/flags-of-our-fathers-trailer/ 
There were significant differences. You would never find the Japanese surrendering en masse when the battle was a lost cause. I believe their mantra was"death is lighter than a feather, duty is heavier than a mountain." They, almost without exception, fought to the death or committed suicide. Japanese soldiers who surrendered during WWII are still treated with disrespect today, if you're to believe some of the documentaries that have been presented. As previously noted there was a very heavy death rate among Japanese POWs; they thought you behaved dishonorably if you surrendered so you weren't entitled to any courtesies. One of my step father's friends was captured in the Phillipines, participated in the Bataan Death March and was a POW till the war ended. He was extremely malnourished when freed and never fully recovered, but managed to put 30 years in the Corps and died at 90.
I also knew a retired Air Force pilot who became a POW in Germany when his B-17 was shot down. He said his treatment wasn't all that bad. I believe the Luftwaffe ran his camp and they were of a different ilk than the Death's Head SS. Jewish POWs weren't singled out if I recall correctly. It wasn't Club Med by any means but it wasn't unsurvivable.
How Clint's movie that addresses the Japanese perspective will be interesting. Hopefully he won't go down the revisionist path that states we shouldn't have nuked them because they would've seen the error of their ways and thrown down their arms.
This movie and "Flyboys" are on my must see list.
I also knew a retired Air Force pilot who became a POW in Germany when his B-17 was shot down. He said his treatment wasn't all that bad. I believe the Luftwaffe ran his camp and they were of a different ilk than the Death's Head SS. Jewish POWs weren't singled out if I recall correctly. It wasn't Club Med by any means but it wasn't unsurvivable.
How Clint's movie that addresses the Japanese perspective will be interesting. Hopefully he won't go down the revisionist path that states we shouldn't have nuked them because they would've seen the error of their ways and thrown down their arms.
This movie and "Flyboys" are on my must see list.
"Flyboys?" Really? After seeing previews for Annapolis, I simply can't see James Franco in any military movie. When I first heard about it, I thought it was screen adaptation of Bradley's second book, but apparently this one is about WWI. Good thing, I suppose, I don't think you could do "Flyboys" the book into a movie unless you toned it down quite a bit, which would completely take away from the theme of it.
Fair enough
In just 36 days of fighting, over 6,000 Americans were killed, 5,000+ were Marines. Sad but awesome site when you see those hulking transports and amphibs sticking out of the water and black sand. Thought they were orange rocks at first but of coures ended up being rusted equipment from the invasion.