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Life chasing subs just got more interesting!

HeyJoe

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080828-N-9999X-001 NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER CRANE, Ind. (Aug. 28, 2008) A surrogate missile is launched from a water-piercing missile launcher at Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane during proof of concept testing. The technology could provide submarines at periscope depth with a "stand and fight" defensive missile capability against above water threats. (U.S. Navy photo/Released)

"They" have been talking about this for years and even conducted preliminary testing of the ability to do Lock-on after launch (LOAL):

AIM-9X Land Launch Demo Advances Sub Payload Capability
By Team Submarine Public Affairs, NAVSEA Newswire, 5 Jan 06

WASHINGTON - The Navy successfully conducted a research and development (R&D) land based test at an Army range in New Mexico, leveraging the Sidewinder AIM-9X missile, an air to air missile used on tactical fighter aircraft, to proof out critical missile adaptation features for submarine use. Among the test objectives achieved in November 2005 were the ability to vertically launch the missile from zero velocity, and to lock-on after launch. The test was a collaborative effort between the Joint Program Office for Air to Air Missiles, Raytheon Missile Systems and Team Submarine Advanced Research. Capt. Mark Bock, program manager for Team Submarine's Undersea Defensive Systems Program Office, led this effort.

The land launched test involved detecting, tracking and destroying an unmanned helicopter drone. The target was not visible to the missile at launch. The missile turned and acquired the target several miles down range, remaining locked on until intercept. Many “firsts” were achieved during this demonstration. Aside from the zero air speed vertical launch, this test was also the first AIM-9X launched from an Army Chaparral trailer, the first AIM-9X to engage a target below 3,000 feet, or 300 knots, and the first launch using a commercial off the shelf fire control system. Because the AIM-9X missile is a good choice for research and development (R&D) of small missile payloads for the guided missile submarines (SSGNs) and attack submarines (SSNs), the results can be extended to other missile payloads and different platforms such as the Littoral Combat Ship.

The next step in this R&D process is to analyze the vertical launch thrust characteristics of gas production and temperature in support of encapsulation for an underwater test. According to Capt. Bock, planning for in-water testing of the capability is currently underway. “The ‘encapsulation’ technique will be the forerunner for deploying air breathing payloads like unmanned aerial vehicles from submarines in the future,” he said. The most mature of these encapsulation technologies, the Stealthy Affordable Capsule System or SACS, will be leveraged for the next phase of risk reduction testing. This effort, led by the Northrop Grumman Corporation, will demonstrate the capability to encapsulate and perform submerged launch of the AIM-9X from a launch fixture representative of a submarine Vertical Launch System that is currently used for Tomahawk cruise missiles. The long-range research goal is to be able to field any existing Department of Defense missile payload onboard submarines rapidly and at low cost.
 

helolumpy

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I'm sure glad that our 400 pound brains are smarter (and better funded) than everyone's elses 400 pound brains!
 

scoolbubba

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To prevent our ORM matrix from creeping into unacceptable levels of risk, P-3s will now maintain a 15 nautical mile standoff from all bodies of water large enough to support a submarine capable of fielding this weapon system. Overland ASW is our bread and butter, let's get those readiness trackers tracking!
 

picklesuit

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To prevent our ORM matrix from creeping into unacceptable levels of risk, P-3s will now maintain a 15 nautical mile standoff from all bodies of water large enough to support a submarine capable of fielding this weapon system. Overland ASW is our bread and butter, let's get those readiness trackers tracking!

My new sig...thanks man!
 

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I remember playing the old "Red Storm Rising" computer game back in the day ('92?) and some of the subs had "Mast Stingers" to give you this capability.
 

OnTopTime

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I remember playing the old "Red Storm Rising" computer game back in the day ('92?) and some of the subs had "Mast Stingers" to give you this capability.

Back in the day it was called SUBSAM. This is not a new concept.
 

PropStop

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That depends on the AIP configuration. Many don't require that, at least not often.
 

Mumbles

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I got a chance to be a participant in a "game" with this bugger up in RI....

Brings a lot to the table.....
 

usmarinemike

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Soooo...do P3s carry countermeasures already? How abou P8s? That lock after launch capability would probably be the biggest pain in the ass. I mean, other than the missile that has a 6 second flight time before it reaches you.
 

PropStop

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P-8 has countermeasures. Exact details are not available, but it should be fairly robust.
 

Mumbles

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Not sure if the press release mentions it.....but there was some talk of putting a laser seeker on aim-9x and an illuminator on the mast, as to make the weapon more discriminating. So the sub would have to be at PD to employ it. The Germans don't have this limitation on U212. They are supposed to be fiber optic wire guided. This also has an anti small boat application, when a MK48 would be overkill.
 
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