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Griz882

Griz882

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To the OP. If you are over the age of 18 and are just now learning how to swim do not...NOT...go to the SEALS. Their life is water and you have to be 1/2 mer-man to love that life. I am not trying to be cruel. If you have an intense interest in SpecWar try Army SF or AF Special Warfare, but your history indicates you are not good material for the teams.
 
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exNavyOffRec

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Griz882 said:
To the OP. If you are over the age of 18 and are just now learning how to swim do not...NOT...go to the SEALS. Their life is water and you have to be 1/2 mer-man to love that life. I am not trying to be cruel. If you have an intense interest in SpecWar try Army SF or AF Special Warfare, but your history indicates you are not good material for the teams.
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Oddly enough one of the SEAL candidates I put in who is now with an East Coast team learned how to swim about 3 months before taking the PST, he didn't tell me initially as he thought I would turn him away, he took lessons and within months was swimming like a fish.

I am not saying anyone could do this but he did, it probably didn't hurt that he was VERY physically fit to begin with.
 
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I think that's the thing with SEALs. For lack of a better term the folks who make it as SEALs are natural athletes; the kind of people who can quickly master a new physical skill and do amazing things without getting injured or who just have an absurd tolerance for discomfort. A guy who didn't know how to swim and who could learn and then master it in a few weeks is an exception to what normal people can do.
 
Griz882

Griz882

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NavyOffRec said:
Oddly enough one of the SEAL candidates I put in who is now with an East Coast team learned how to swim about 3 months before taking the PST, he didn't tell me initially as he thought I would turn him away, he took lessons and within months was swimming like a fish.

I am not saying anyone could do this but he did, it probably didn't hurt that he was VERY physically fit to begin with.
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First, good for him. That is a hell of an accomplishment. There is always an exception to the rule, but the OP doesn't sound like one.
 
Flash

Flash

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I haven't seen it pointed out yet but even if you are the most prepared candidate ever to start BUD/S you could still have an injury that prevents you from completing. One of the NFO's in my first squadron was a pretty fit and locked on guy but didn't completed SEAL training because of stress fractures. They thought enough of him to allow him try again, and he got stress fractures again. Sometimes, it just isn't in the cards.
 
FormerRecruitingGuru

FormerRecruitingGuru

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Flash said:
I haven't seen it pointed out yet but even if you are the most prepared candidate ever to start BUD/S you could still have an injury that prevents you from completing. One of the NFO's in my first squadron was a pretty fit and locked on guy but didn't completed SEAL training because of stress fractures. They thought enough of him to allow him try again, and he got stress fractures again. Sometimes, it just isn't in the cards.
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+1. Knew not one, but TWO guys who impressed during Mini-BUDS, but suffered stress fractures and pneumonia (second guy) during their training and had to drop out.
 
jtorres

jtorres

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Griz882 said:
To the OP. If you are over the age of 18 and are just now learning how to swim do not...NOT...go to the SEALS. Their life is water and you have to be 1/2 mer-man to love that life. I am not trying to be cruel. If you have an intense interest in SpecWar try Army SF or AF Special Warfare, but your history indicates you are not good material for the teams.
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I am 22, and I grew up in Hawaii since I was 5. I understand how that came across. It is not that I do not know how to swim. I just did not know that particular stroke, but I am an avid surfer of over 6 years. I have my scuba certification, and I dive occasionally, and I free dive with fins pretty often. I have since then learned the stroke. I'm not really on this site to see if I can qualify. I am very aware of the standards and competitive scores. I was mainly getting information on what options I have to get in based on how I missed the specop board, and my recruiter pushed me to submit a package for other designators.
 
FormerRecruitingGuru

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jtorres said:
I am 22, and I grew up in Hawaii since I was 5. I understand how that came across. It is not that I do not know how to swim. I just did not know that particular stroke, but I am an avid surfer of over 6 years. I have my scuba certification, and I dive occasionally, and I free dive with fins pretty often. I have since then learned the stroke. I'm not really on this site to see if I can qualify. I am very aware of the standards and competitive scores. I was mainly getting information on what options I have to get in based on how I missed the specop board, and my recruiter pushed me to submit a package for other designators.
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Diving and surfing is all fine and dandy but you're found to be competing against professional swimmer and/or water polo athletes who have the techniques down to a T.
 
Griz882

Griz882

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jtorres said:
I am 22, and I grew up in Hawaii since I was 5. I understand how that came across. It is not that I do not know how to swim. I just did not know that particular stroke, but I am an avid surfer of over 6 years. I have my scuba certification, and I dive occasionally, and I free dive with fins pretty often. I have since then learned the stroke. I'm not really on this site to see if I can qualify. I am very aware of the standards and competitive scores. I was mainly getting information on what options I have to get in based on how I missed the specop board, and my recruiter pushed me to submit a package for other designators.
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My error. I misunderstood your initial post. In any case, if special warfare is in your heart, and the Navy has closed the books for now, consider enlisting for the teams or looking to Army SF for the same thrills and good training.
 
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exNavyOffRec

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jtorres said:
I am 22, and I grew up in Hawaii since I was 5. I understand how that came across. It is not that I do not know how to swim. I just did not know that particular stroke, but I am an avid surfer of over 6 years. I have my scuba certification, and I dive occasionally, and I free dive with fins pretty often. I have since then learned the stroke. I'm not really on this site to see if I can qualify. I am very aware of the standards and competitive scores. I was mainly getting information on what options I have to get in based on how I missed the specop board, and my recruiter pushed me to submit a package for other designators.
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your best bet is to end up getting a "N" from both boards, should that happen then work on your physical training.

one thing I don't think was touched upon is endurance, the swim and run are distance events where you need to get the best time you can, however the pushups, situps, and pull ups are timed events, they give you 2 minutes for the events and you better be using every second of that 2 minutes, which means you need to get 100+
 
jtorres

jtorres

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This is a pretty random update, and I am sure that most were not up at night wondering about what happened in my case, but I just wanted to say that my officer recruiter is an incredible man, leader, and sailor. I ultimately ended up receiving an OCS date of 25FEB2018, and my designator was not what I wanted, but my OR helped me out as much as possible. He did what he was supposed to do, and he did what he felt was the right decision for myself, his command, and the Navy; I could not have asked for anything else; everything was on me at that point. Further, I arrived to OCS with confidence, much help from the support of my OR - and I just want to say that I am not endorsing him, although he is a great recruiter. However, with my end goals in mind (ending up in Spec War), the time-difference from Hawaii to Rhode Island, the physical and mental preparation that I had, I ended up getting pulled from training. I simply could not sleep at night. I stayed up to study because I physically could not fall asleep. I wanted this too badly to not use every second of my time. After x amount of days, I showed signs of sleep deprivation, and I was medically discharged, although I passed my IST with great scores, although I was ballistic as humanly possible, although I responded every time I could, although I made many friends; I was pulled. Well, some things happen outside of our nature. My OR prepared me as best as he could, and I thank him for that. I just completed a run with him today as well; he is one heck of a guy. Since I have been back home, I have taken up a whole lot worth of new challenges, and I am setting a new groove. I will continue down my current path for quite sometime, but I told myself, 'at age x, if I still have that hunger, craving, and need to be out there; I am going to enlist to get where I need to be'. We shall see! I was told from a staff member that I needed to show signs of improved sleeping, then I could be reconsidered for whatever program I apply for. So, I will leave it at that. I absolutely loved every second of OCS, and I absolutely love what this country was built upon. So, thank you to everyone who is out there standing watch, and everyone who will stand watch. It is absolutely incredible. Watch out for my OR; he is going back to the fleet, and he is amazing guy!

Very Respectfully,
Julian
 
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