Looking for gouge? Ask your Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation here (Part 1)

[VetteMuscle427]

From a ACM perspective - It's a lesson that was learned in Vietnam, that apparently might have to be learned again. The F-4 originally didn't have a gun because now that they had the new fangled missles, they were good. What about when you're inside the min range of your missiles? What about when you've shot your wad WRT missiles and have plenty of go juice? You disengage and run for the hills?

Disengage and run for the hills... yes. We're not in the age of Phantoms shooting AIM-9Bs... Do you honestly think ANYONE would want to take on any sort of an air to air fight w/ an opponent who would more than likely have an AA-11/Equivalent missile? Bluster aside, I'd turn tail and bug out. And that's assuming you would get into a position where you'd be able to launch all missiles w/o burning up all your gas.

Yeah, you may get closer to AAA - but that's why we get paid the big bucks. RCS is worthless if you can't do your job, which is support the guys on the ground.

Having a gun is vital in my mind. I think it is a significant loss of effectiveness. But I'm just a dumb helo company grade.

If your aircraft loses that RCS, how does that affect it's ability to preform it's mission in the future? Maybe your gun pass will cost that airframe it's ability to do another mission down the road, more vital.

Again, I'm not an anti-gun kind of guy; I argue solely for the sake of being devil's advocate.

 

[nittany03]

Again, I'm not an anti-gun kind of guy; I argue solely for the sake of being devil's advocate.

Nice to know our aircraft procurement decisions are not being made by the Brady Campaign . . .

 

[osu33]

Ok, as usual for a newbie like me, i have to stick my foot in my own mouth... but only halfway. Marine Corps is almost definitely going to have a gun pod (still pursuing an A-10 gun variant). However, the Navy is still reserving the option of having the internal gun. John Doe explained it as being similar to the Super Hornet's ability to switch out its gun for the ATARS - the Navy wants the option to take it out when they want to and thus having to deal with the RCS of a gun pod. They are pursuing this because some of their money is already going toward the R&D of the internal gun on the AF bird - so why not use it. However, this probably wouldn't be seen until the Block 3 or 4 version. Links/additional info may come tomorrow - depending on if I bugged him too much today.

 

[Swanee]

Marine Corps is almost definitely going to have a gun pod (still pursuing an A-10 gun variant).

This exists, they tried it on the Viper in the late 80s until Iraq 1. It didn't work and they ended up taking them off the airplanes and went back to the internal 20mm.

 

[Ufoz8mycow]

God I love reading all the gouge on this website.

I have a couple of terms that I keep seeing but am not exactly sure what they are though:

Billet holders and getting skylined.

Is getting skylined actually being booted from OCS or some kind of probation? And what the hell is a billet holder?


Flame suit on.

 

[phrogpilot73]

God I love reading all the gouge on this website.

I have a couple of terms that I keep seeing but am not exactly sure what they are though:

Billet holders and getting skylined.

Is getting skylined actually being booted from OCS or some kind of probation? And what the hell is a billet holder?


Flame suit on.

After I post the answer, I'm going to move both your post and mine to the stupid questions thread.

A billet holder is someone who is in a leadership billet. If you are told you're the Platoon Commander, you're a billet holder. Billets go generally from Fire Team Leader on up.

Skylined is making yourself "noticed" by the instructors. When you skyline yourself you may end up getting more, and unwanted attention.

 

[Conaway]

God I love reading all the gouge on this website.

I have a couple of terms that I keep seeing but am not exactly sure what they are though:

Billet holders and getting skylined.

Is getting skylined actually being booted from OCS or some kind of probation? And what the hell is a billet holder?


Flame suit on.

A billet holder is someone in a leadership position, a person holding the position. A billet is the actual position, ie, Candidate Company Commander, Platoon Sgt, Commanding Officer, etc.

Skylining yourself is when you do something that makes you stand out. It's not good. Another way of saying it would be, highlighting yourself, or being an individual.

 

[AJB37]

Ok, as usual for a newbie like me, i have to stick my foot in my own mouth... but only halfway. Marine Corps is almost definitely going to have a gun pod (still pursuing an A-10 gun variant). However, the Navy is still reserving the option of having the internal gun. John Doe explained it as being similar to the Super Hornet's ability to switch out its gun for the ATARS - the Navy wants the option to take it out when they want to and thus having to deal with the RCS of a gun pod. They are pursuing this because some of their money is already going toward the R&D of the internal gun on the AF bird - so why not use it. However, this probably wouldn't be seen until the Block 3 or 4 version. Links/additional info may come tomorrow - depending on if I bugged him too much today.

Here is a link to globalsecurity.org that says the F-35C has "provisions for an internal gun". Take this with a grain of salt seeing as I'm just a wanna-be and not in the know.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35c.htm

Edit: The quote is at the end of the 3rd paragraph.

 

[guest0321]

Yeah, that's right - they turned into MARSOC homos. Once a homo, always a homo...

+1 on the gun run - they're excellent for urban linear targets.

Don't hate now...somebody has to be there on the ground to call you boys in...

And I filled out my little profile for you all...some people really like to profile snoop!

 

[ea6bflyr]

Don't hate now...somebody has to be there on the ground to call you boys in...

And I filled out my little profile for you all...some people really like to profile snoop!

Not always: can you say FAC-A!

-ea6bflyr

 

[guest0321]

It's more fun for me when I get to see things go "boom"...

And I'm not a JTAC...so I guess you don't have to drop it if you don't want to...

 

[Top_Gun_101]

??? Just wondering about marines on carriers ???

Do marines go aboard aircraft carriers on deployment???

do they maintain their own EA-6B & hornets aboard a deployed carrier???

-T.Y.

 

[whalepelt]

Marine squadrons are often included in the CVW. Seeing as this isn't the AF, those squadrons include their own maintainers.

 

[Crowbar]

Do marines go aboard aircraft carriers on deployment???

do they maintain their own EA-6B & hornets aboard a deployed carrier???

-T.Y.

All helos can and do deploy on amphibs. C model Hornets go on carriers. Harriers go on amphibs. Prowler pilots CQ but don't go to the boat again. Each squadron has its own maintenance department, and therefore has its own maintainers. I don't feel like typing a whole lot, unless you'd specificially like a dissertation on different levels of maintenance.

 

[loadtoad]

Seeing as this isn't the AF, those squadrons include their own maintainers.

huh?