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Manhattan aviation accident...
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goosegagnon2
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Come on now, lets be rational. Who knows what happens... just like you said, they could have made a serious mistake, I doubt they set out on with the intention to fly into a building.
Maybe he was just better at baseball than he was at flying. If he was working on his license then he must have had some type of interest in flying, regardless if he was rich or not; Not just to fool around and be stupid.
Cirrus has equipped their aircraft with a recovery parachute system from the beginning. Not new technology.
However, pulling the handle on this system pretty much gaurentees you'll crunch the aircraft in the ensueing landing. You stop having control with the parachute - you survive butthe airplave doesn't. And we are talking $200k plus airplane!
Looks like these guys were sightseeing down the VFR corridor down the East River (underneath the Class B) and quite literally were't watching where they were going. Tragic.
Rational?? Hopefully, I am. Intentionally fly into the building??? No, of course not .... who said anything "irrational" like that ??? Why would they???
My comment was based on years and years of seeing big boys with big boy's toys ... and all too often the mixture results in tragedy. Money and desire do not equal "being qualified" ... and that fact is frequently brought home with tragic results ...
Example: one of my acquaintances is a mechanic with a national, professional race team. In a previous life, he was a Blues maintainer -- an aircraft mechanic on the team. He's told me on more than one occasion when comparing professional racing to aviation .... "these boys (race car drivers) and their toys ... and they THINK they know what speed is ..... "
I know some names --- you know some of them ---and whether it's cars, airplanes, boats, whatever .... the end result all too often is a result of too much money (will buy anything) and too much time on one's hands (time to pursue those unrealized expectations).
Hope my "irrationality" is a little more coherent, now. If not ... kill me.
Apparently he was with an instructor. Having money and time is a requisite to become proficient in an aircraft (unless mil training). No one starts out a qualified professional, no one is born an aviator, therefore no one should apply because no one is qualified?
Everyone has to learn, and I cant think of a more responsible, professional way to continue to learn to fly after getting your PPL, than to continue to fly with an instructor.
REALLY ???
Com'on now ... you gotta try harder than that .... if "... no one is born an aviator" , as you state ... who do you suppose gave these boys their PPL's .... hmmmmmmmmmmm ????
goosegagnon2
Member
Haha, nice taking the converse of the rationale I made. I understand, its just a sad incident to see again...I guess we can say the same for the Kenndey's incident then? (sp?)
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
JFK Jr. was a classic example of what A4s was talking about. He has enough money to buy more plane than he can handle, and morts himself (and his passengers) doing something he had no business doing, namely flying low over water at night under VFR with marginal VMC/IMC weather. All that with a couple hundred (like 200?) hours and no cloud card. UNSAT for headwork.
About this latest crash, does anybody else think that the area they were "training" in is just a bit "sporty" for some guy working on his PPL? I'm not a CFI, but have been a RAG IP and wouldn't want to try any basic training in that kind of airspace, if for no other reason that the risk of getting violated. Any CFIs weigh in on this?
About this latest crash, does anybody else think that the area they were "training" in is just a bit "sporty" for some guy working on his PPL? I'm not a CFI, but have been a RAG IP and wouldn't want to try any basic training in that kind of airspace, if for no other reason that the risk of getting violated. Any CFIs weigh in on this?
PPL training in Class B airspace is piss poor headwork.
Disagree. I grew up flying in TPA's class B. As long as you don't suck, it's good training.
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
That's the problem. Students suck. That's why they have instructors to keep them from killing themselves. That includes all of us when we were students. You have to learn somehow.
Now, a CFI should be able to control his student and monitor everything else around him, but his bucket will fill faster with more outside distractions (ATC, traffic, buildings, etc.).
Anyway, I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it probably isn't such a hot idea.
See ... there's the catch. You can't "suck". The same could be said for Class A, C, D, E, ..... and XYZ airspace as well.
The morale of the story: Don't suck at Aviation. Many are "called" (many erroneously) ... few are chosen ....
