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BigWorm

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Birth In Combat

Here is an article I thought was uhh...well, interesting. I am all for equality of opportunity, but the military exists to protect the constitution, not to practice it.
 

Mustangable

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Anyone come from the era when you'ld come home from school and watch on T.V. about Quick-Kick breaking into kids' homes, telling them not to take medicine unprescribed to them, and then the kids would say "Thanks, Quick-Kick, now we know," and Quick-Kick would say "And knowing's half the battle"? I guess I looked at the G.I. Jane threads and thought about the name's counterpart (Yo Joe!)
 
Umm...how many women want to slog around in the mud and **** in a foxhole with a man sitting next to them? Not too many I'd figure...

As for Windtalkers, that was a pretty good movie, but it wasn't really anything "classic." Good action but too sappy at moments.

And that article is just...freaky. Birth at sea?
 

Robert_F

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"Heartbreak Ridge" with Clint Eastwood

"I chew up and spit out jarheads"-bar owner

"while how about I slug you in the jaw, and you can chew on my knuckles"-Gunny Highway
 

jabravo2003

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Anyone here ever see RED DAWN with Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayzee about a Soviet Invasion of the US? I thought it was ok. HAMBURGER HILL was awesome, here are some great quotes:

Reporter: Word down at division is you guys can't take this hill? what do you have to say about that? In fact Sen. Kennedy says you guys don't have a chance at all.

Frantz: You really like this **** don't you? It's your job, your story. You're waiting here like a ****ing vulture waiting for someone to die so you can take a picture.

Reporter: It's my job.

Frantz: I got more respect for those little bastards up there, at least they take a side, you just take pictures. You probably don't even do your own ****ing. Now unass my AO. You listen to me, we're going to take this ****ing hill newsman. I see you on the top taking pictures of any of my people I will blow your ****ing head off. Now you haven't earned the right to be here, do you understand that?
 

goldwingdreams

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Red Dawn is the shiznit. Don't forget our boys on the boomers. Hunt for Red October and Crimson Tide. For older flix, the Caine Mutiny is good (book is better) and Battleground is fantastic. If you like BUFFs (B-52s) and end-of-the-world scenarios, By Dawn's Early Light is a must see.

Can't believe no one has mentioned Dirty Dozen yet....
 

BigWorm

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Lis, Arguing for the credibility of G.I. Jane makes you look like a retard. I always love hearing these women that can’t walk the walk talk all of this smack about how women should be allowed into ground combat.
My experience is somewhat limited to TBS, but I remember pretty distinctly that the women with the biggest gripes about not being allowed into combat units were the same ones that folded much like a wet taco with more than 60 lbs on their back. Even the tough one…Ya now, the one that had a better PFT score than me, which was obviously an indicator that she could hang. Once she was issued the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon, guess what? She had to pass it off to her male counter parts because she did not have the upper body strength to carry it. This was six months of training, where safety vehicles were never too far away. What happens when you go into combat and she can’t carry her own weight…I suppose it should be spread loaded until we get her into the fight and then the enemy will feel her ferociousness. The same arguments used to exclude minority males? Hardly. The arguments are based of physiological differences between men and women.

Going into ground combat means that you have to bring everything with you – Weapons, Ammo, Food, Water, Equipment. The weight adds up very quickly. Then you have to move from the friendly side to the enemy side, which means moving heavy weight over a distance. If you look at the average man (5’9” 170 lbs) vs. the average woman (5’6” 130 lbs), physiology makes assumptions apparent. Now is where you are going to come in with the feminist argument about this one woman that is out there, the triathlete that benches 300 that can kick my ass. Yes, I will readily agree that there are SOME women out there that would have the potential to be a better infantry officer than a few of the males doing it currently. Yes, many women are stronger than men. Yes, I’ve seen a lot of triathletes that could kick my ass. When you actually break it down, the women that are physically capable of ground combat are few and far between. That combined with the simple fact that very few people (Men and Women) actually want the mission of ground combat means that this one women we are arguing for is statistically rare. Now we factor in the extra gender issues of adding women to the combat units…maybe someday our society can be as it was in Starship Troopers, but unfortunately, it is not.

The question I propose…is it worth our national security to promote equality? Call me stupid, but if congress allows women into ground combat, it doesn’t mean that everyone will be judged on an equal playing field. Politics isn’t that simple. It would create a mess, where either the infantry standards would be lowered or separate standards to provide equal chance for each gender. In the meantime, the ground combat standards, ya know…the ones that involve people shooting each other to death will remain the same.

Now I’m coming across like a raging sexist, which isn’t true. My argument is simply that WAR is not the place for feminists to go ranting about “female power.” That’s all G.I. Jane was.
 

Meridiani

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Originally posted by BigWorm
women we are arguing for is statistically rare. Now we factor in the extra gender issues of adding women to the combat units…maybe someday our society can be as it was in Starship Troopers, but unfortunately, it is not.

The question I propose…is it worth our national security to promote equality? Call me stupid, but if congress allows women into ground combat, it doesn’t mean that everyone will be judged on an equal playing field. Politics isn’t that simple.

Worm, aside from calling Lis4Lady a retard, I don't think your views make you a raging sexist. In fact, I absolutely agree with the above quote.

In a perfect society, individual merit would be the only consideration for entrance into special warfare units. However, we do not live in a perfect society. I don't think the Navy has a compelling reason to bend over backwards for that one-in-a-million woman who has both the desire and physical capacity to become a SEAL. Logistically, it's just not a reasonable expectation, at least not until our society is prepared for a Starship Troopers type of integration, which it currently is not.

-Stacy
 

Meridiani

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LOL, I realized that--it was his stated concern, not yours. I was just confirming that I didn't think he was sexist, either.
 

Robert_F

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i think that you guys put in WAY too much energy debating a movie that sucks....sure is fun to watch though :)
 

jabravo2003

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GoldWingDreams: Yeah, BY DAWN'S EARLY LIGHT was a GREAT GREAT movie, I watch it every once and a while. Very good story line, other then that cheesy Pilot poking his right hand (wo)man.

George
 

Attilla

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I liked Spaceballs, The Hunt for Red October, and Command Decision(b&w Clark Gable WWII stuff), Sniper w/ Tom Berringer,and Memphis Belle.

Hated Tears of the Sun, all the Iron Eagles, and Phonebooth.
 

BigWorm

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Lis, I didn’t mean to come across in attack mode; in D.C., I heard a lot of these feminist lawyers talk about getting women into combat as though it were the “final battle,” which was my main frame of reference. If there were limitations placed on me based off the stack of cards I was given at birth, then yeah I would be pissed off too. It defeats the whole purpose of what America stands for.
With a man handing his rifle off…yup it happens…I would not even be surprised to see a man handing off his rifle to a woman at TBS. There were some turds there for sure; I got to carry the radio when my roommate folded like a wet taco. Fortunately, he selected logo, not infantry. Mainly I didn’t want to come across as bashing the female Marines. Many of them did very well and in many cases, better than some of the men; but not to the point that they were ready for an infantry platoon. Regardless, if you want combat you had better be able to carry your share. When it comes to fields such as intelligence or logistics, I don’t think you can say that man or woman is better, but that the field is better off because of diversity.

My final $.02 on the subject, when women do cool sh1t like 18 dead hang pull ups, or finishing 3 miles in 18 min it earns respect. When they bitch about not being allowed into combat, it earns resentment. Making it into infantry, or even further up the food chain to special warfare is not about meeting the minimum cut. It’s about becoming the heaviest pipe-hittin MoFo in the jungle. I really don’t think it should be turned into a Man vs. Woman thing…the analogy I like to use is professional football; when you get to those levels, the women are no longer standing because of the whole genetics thing. Ground combat is similar, only the second place trophy is a silver bullet through the head. The other difference is that unlike football, the military isn’t set up to take the best, if you meet the minimums, you are in, which is where a lot of the dangers of standards come to play.

I guess with all of that, I need to add Starship Troopers to the movie list.
 

phrogdriver

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Move it to the book list too. It's by Robert Heinlein. The book has a lot of good combat, training, and leadership lessons in it. The movie was cool, too, but only because it was fun, and because of that Diz girl!
 
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