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[Gatordev]

I still have yet to see a decent technical take on what is going on, but it’s clear something is up.

It appears it can be a result of "flex" of the slide on the frame. My poor choice of words, not the internet's, but there's some pretty good YT videos showing 100% reliable failures. The videos aren't done by range bozos, but by folks who are following the same methodology. Essentially, as the gun is pinched or shifted in a holster, it's causing the slide/receiver interface to shift enough that it releases the striker.

What's also interesting is that not every gun does it, but certain lots which leads many to believe the QA process isn't the greatest (from Sig? No way!).

I've actually only had a very cursory interest in the whole thing (I don't own one) and was a doubter for a long time, but ended up seeing some respected sources reproducing the issue and have become more of a believer.

 

[number9]

Careful who you sell to- not everyone knows what’s up with these. Did yours have the “voluntary upgrade”?

Fair points! I believe it does, but I'll double-check with SIG.

 

[ChuckMK23]

A surprise pick by the Bundeswehr. Not. A. Sig.

 

[Griz882]

A surprise pick by the Bundeswehr. Not. A. Sig.

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No too surprising. All the contenders are either German or German adjacent.

 

[GroundPounder]

Just got the word on pricing to buy our issued ( soon to be replaced by Glock model 45 ) Sig Sauer P320s.


Survey says.......$260 each. I'd have to double check, but I think we have had them since 2021. I feel for the people who paid retail for them a few years ago, and now they are worth less than a holster and cheap light.

In the light of the last week, our contract is being finalized in the $100.00 to $125.00 range. I will still get one, but it may never be loaded in a holster again.

 

[Griz882]

I will still get one, but it may never be loaded in a holster again.

I have started to wonder if the passion for ever tighter, plastic-formed holsters is contributing to the Sig issue? I tote mine in a comparatively loose leather holster (I come from the old school where they told us, “If you are relying on your pistol to save the day you’ve already fucked up.”) so I’m not too involved in the quick draw stuff. Still, I know LE types love the plastic rigs.

 

[wink]

(I come from the old school where they told us, “If you are relying on your pistol to save the day you’ve already fucked up.”)

My favorite from a LE instructor I had: " Your handgun is for fighting your way back to the rifle you foolishly left behind."

 

[GroundPounder]

I have started to wonder if the passion for ever tighter, plastic-formed holsters is contributing to the Sig issue? I tote mine in a comparatively loose leather holster (I come from the old school where they told us, “If you are relying on your pistol to save the day you’ve already fucked up.”) so I’m not too involved in the quick draw stuff. Still, I know LE types love the plastic rigs.

That's a good point, between the plastic based holsters and higher retention levels, they are pretty tight.

I think when it all said and done it will be found that a percentage of the guns would have no issue, no matter what. A portion will be the most dangerous and a portion will be in the maybe zone. We had 3 incidents in our agency within the first year of using them , two of which were claimed to be uncommanded discharges. At the time, I was very much in the camp that it could not have happened. I acutally apolgized to one of the three yesterday, his resulted in a leg wound. We go way back so there was no bad blood, but I have given him grief over the years about.

To parapharse someone, " It stopped yesterday "

 

[sevenhelmet]

I have started to wonder if the passion for ever tighter, plastic-formed holsters is contributing to the Sig issue? I tote mine in a comparatively loose leather holster (I come from the old school where they told us, “If you are relying on your pistol to save the day you’ve already fucked up.”) so I’m not too involved in the quick draw stuff. Still, I know LE types love the plastic rigs.

Wouldn’t we be seeing issues with other models if that were the case?

 

[Griz882]

Wouldn’t we be seeing issues with other models if that were the case?

I think we have. The Sig isn’t the only weapon suffering ADs/NDs.

 

[GroundPounder]

Wouldn’t we be seeing issues with other models if that were the case?

I think the key is that the striker position in the P320 and lack of trigger safety. When the Glock trigger is pulled back, it sets the striker which when the sear drops sends it forward and the gun fires.

The P320's striker is already back and the trigger drops the sear and the weapon fires.



** Layman explanation, I'm sure that there are folks on here that can explain it more technically correct.

 

[sevenhelmet]

I think we have. The Sig isn’t the only weapon suffering ADs/NDs.

Never has been. But it’s the only one I have seen appear to discharge in the holster without anything in or near the trigger guard (based on multiple videos), which doesn’t fit the traditional definition of AD/ND.

 

[TacticalTater]

For those more familiar does the P320 Legion have the same issues? I have a chance for one at a good price, would be a drawer gun and not a carry so I'm thinking the holster issues would be negated.

 

[Gatordev]

I think we have. The Sig isn’t the only weapon suffering ADs/NDs.

I'd offer that this statement is a misunderstanding of what appears to be happening.

The evidence that is piling up is that this isn't because someone's piece of clothing, finger, or a piece of brass is activating the trigger as the gun is moved into or out of the holster. Those are all AD/NDs because they're external to the gun. The issue appears to happen after the gun is seated in the holster with no external input other than the flex of the holster against the frame of the gun.

There are a plethora of striker-fired weapons that are not going off when this flex happens, it only seems to happen with some unknown number of 320s. Even 2011s don't have the issue and most (any?) of those aren't drop-safe.

The other Sig service pistols (M11, MK25) don't have the issue because there's a locking bar that actuates when they're decocked. So even if it's dropped, the hammer can't impact the firing pin.

 

[sevenhelmet]

I'd offer that this statement is a misunderstanding of what appears to be happening.

The evidence that is piling up is that this isn't because someone's piece of clothing, finger, or a piece of brass is activating the trigger as the gun is moved into or out of the holster. Those are all AD/NDs because they're external to the gun. The issue appears to happen after the gun is seated in the holster with no external input other than the flex of the holster against the frame of the gun.

There are a plethora of striker-fired weapons that are not going off when this flex happens, it only seems to happen with some unknown number of 320s. Even 2011s don't have the issue and most (any?) of those aren't drop-safe.

The other Sig service pistols (M11, MK25) don't have the issue because there's a locking bar that actuates when they're decocked. So even if it's dropped, the hammer can't impact the firing pin.

You explained it better than I did, thank you.