The Renegade
LT, SC, USN
Just waiting for these!Oh wait, I already have those with 2 chevrons.
Aviation Electrician's Mate?
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New wings approved for AMDO/Aviation LDO/CWOs
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Aviation Electrician's Mate?
Yee of Little Knowledge...PMO Wings
Hello All! Great to see the interest in the newly approved Professional Maintenance Officer Wings of Gold and Silver. First off, let me be the first of the 349 designated "warfare qualified" Aviation Maintenance Duty Officers to say it is truly a long time coming!
Not all Aviation Maintenance Duty Officers come from the enlisted ranks, likewise the EAWS pins you see are on the chests of those LDO/CWO and Mustang Officers who stayed within Aviation Maintenance. AMDOs are those of the 1520/1527s (FTS) who expertly apply the professional management of aviation maintenance per the 4790.2...the same instruction that can and does shut Wings and Squadrons down for poor maintenance. Means no flying for you all.
We give the thumbs up or down that a jet can fly, we fix the components that fail on you in flight, we run the engines you KNOW you have power assurance, we rig the flight gear you lounge in on that Alert 30, we routinely inspect your ejection seats to insure they fire each and every time when called on. That is just a few of the many.
Do we deserve these wings? I would argue with you that point. This isnt about other communities and their Wings just like I dont argue the "1000 Trap" of a "Hooker" with crossed anchors on their wings...when it really means they rode the back seat for 1000 traps. Who really did the flying? Does it matter?! Hell, it's 1000 traps for goodness sakes. The point is we are all in it to win it to make these aircraft do as advertised every time when asked to.
Arrogance breeds arrogance my flying friends. I can say that from a unique perspective as not only a veteran maintenance person but also as an avid and current rated pilot. I carry every major certification possible with the FAA and fly constantly when I am not fixing what the aviators break. I do so out a passion for aviation and my fellow countryman cheating death by the millisecond. But I dont have to have wings on my chest to prove I am someone, they dont define me they let others know where I come from. I will take any of you up in a heartbeat and probably show you something you have never seen or know how to handle and likewise myself with you. My advise, dont be so arrogant to think your Wings of Gold are more than the designation of others. You dont fly alone when you leave the deck....probably a squadron of 25-50 strong maintainers and an around 350+ AIMD Maintainers there watching you succeed.
The PMO Wings are not easily earned. It is a rigid program spread across two different tours of O and I Level Maintenance and certain positions must be held and certain qualifications must be obtained. I started my qualification in 2001 and was designated in 2008. Folks do the Math...that is a long time to qualify. I did it literally word for word and assignment by assignment to include a hellish tour in Meridian, MS maintaining the venerable T-2, HH-1N, and T-45C under a hard to understand contract maintenance concept...Even Bubba wants you all to succeed!
One question asks...can you get them at Whiting? The answer is NO. AMO school is just one requirement, and you have to pass the course to get the credit. It takes an O Level Tour (Yanking the broken crap out of the birds and replacing them) and an I Level Tour (Afloat on a CVN..repairing the boxes the O-Level yanked out) and over 300 pages of signatures.
Make no doubt about the PMO wings, they are hard earned and probably harder earned than those of the NFO and NA, 2-years and 300 hours make you dangerous (give you wings), a career of maintainers fixing your birds and a few thousand hours makes you understand (you kept your wings).
These wings bring identity to a group of professionals O-1 through O-8. We have probably 50 O5 and above in this Navy. Most of that is at the levels of platform acquisition. My favorite new initiative, the UAV program. Full scale UAVs aboard CVNs. Can you see the writing on the wall yet? Before long you all will be rendered dinosaurs sitting behind computer screens flying a UAV from a flight deck somewhere in your boxers eating Cheetos as you put warhead on forehead. "There you were...sitting in the booth....but you have your Wings of Gold alright!"
At the end of the day, the Maintainer still places wrench on aircraft still doing their job so you can do yours! Go Greenshirts!
Hello All! Great to see the interest in the newly approved Professional Maintenance Officer Wings of Gold and Silver. First off, let me be the first of the 349 designated "warfare qualified" Aviation Maintenance Duty Officers to say it is truly a long time coming!
Not all Aviation Maintenance Duty Officers come from the enlisted ranks, likewise the EAWS pins you see are on the chests of those LDO/CWO and Mustang Officers who stayed within Aviation Maintenance. AMDOs are those of the 1520/1527s (FTS) who expertly apply the professional management of aviation maintenance per the 4790.2...the same instruction that can and does shut Wings and Squadrons down for poor maintenance. Means no flying for you all.
We give the thumbs up or down that a jet can fly, we fix the components that fail on you in flight, we run the engines you KNOW you have power assurance, we rig the flight gear you lounge in on that Alert 30, we routinely inspect your ejection seats to insure they fire each and every time when called on. That is just a few of the many.
Do we deserve these wings? I would argue with you that point. This isnt about other communities and their Wings just like I dont argue the "1000 Trap" of a "Hooker" with crossed anchors on their wings...when it really means they rode the back seat for 1000 traps. Who really did the flying? Does it matter?! Hell, it's 1000 traps for goodness sakes. The point is we are all in it to win it to make these aircraft do as advertised every time when asked to.
Arrogance breeds arrogance my flying friends. I can say that from a unique perspective as not only a veteran maintenance person but also as an avid and current rated pilot. I carry every major certification possible with the FAA and fly constantly when I am not fixing what the aviators break. I do so out a passion for aviation and my fellow countryman cheating death by the millisecond. But I dont have to have wings on my chest to prove I am someone, they dont define me they let others know where I come from. I will take any of you up in a heartbeat and probably show you something you have never seen or know how to handle and likewise myself with you. My advise, dont be so arrogant to think your Wings of Gold are more than the designation of others. You dont fly alone when you leave the deck....probably a squadron of 25-50 strong maintainers and an around 350+ AIMD Maintainers there watching you succeed.
The PMO Wings are not easily earned. It is a rigid program spread across two different tours of O and I Level Maintenance and certain positions must be held and certain qualifications must be obtained. I started my qualification in 2001 and was designated in 2008. Folks do the Math...that is a long time to qualify. I did it literally word for word and assignment by assignment to include a hellish tour in Meridian, MS maintaining the venerable T-2, HH-1N, and T-45C under a hard to understand contract maintenance concept...Even Bubba wants you all to succeed!
One question asks...can you get them at Whiting? The answer is NO. AMO school is just one requirement, and you have to pass the course to get the credit. It takes an O Level Tour (Yanking the broken crap out of the birds and replacing them) and an I Level Tour (Afloat on a CVN..repairing the boxes the O-Level yanked out) and over 300 pages of signatures.
Make no doubt about the PMO wings, they are hard earned and probably harder earned than those of the NFO and NA, 2-years and 300 hours make you dangerous (give you wings), a career of maintainers fixing your birds and a few thousand hours makes you understand (you kept your wings).
These wings bring identity to a group of professionals O-1 through O-8. We have probably 50 O5 and above in this Navy. Most of that is at the levels of platform acquisition. My favorite new initiative, the UAV program. Full scale UAVs aboard CVNs. Can you see the writing on the wall yet? Before long you all will be rendered dinosaurs sitting behind computer screens flying a UAV from a flight deck somewhere in your boxers eating Cheetos as you put warhead on forehead. "There you were...sitting in the booth....but you have your Wings of Gold alright!"
At the end of the day, the Maintainer still places wrench on aircraft still doing their job so you can do yours! Go Greenshirts!
Jeez...has this been the first time you got up on a soapbox about this? :icon_wink Look, nobody was really questioning whether AMO's "deserve" a pin. They do a hard job well and everyone who's been in the Fleet respects the guys who do it. What we were talking about was the Navy's increasing culture of bling. Everyone doesn't need a pin for their job, however well they do it or necessary it is. That's how the AF rolls, not us.
If anything, I'd say LDOs would rate wearing a specialty pin on their collar like the CWOs.
Fester nailed it. Do we need a pin for every qualification? Do we need a Joint Qual pin? Every NAVY designator has qualifications they must achieve. Why does the Navy need yet another pin to signify qualification? I think the Navy warfare qualification process has been headed downhill ever since they made Enlisted Warfare qualifications MANDATORY.
BTW, Welcome to Airwarriors, Skillet.
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BTW, Welcome to Airwarriors, Skillet.
-ea6bflyr
Unfortunately, one of the oldest tricks in the book is to "qual" a weak guy just before he detaches...that way he leaves with a clean record and an OOD letter, and his next CO can live with him...or not. Perhaps sad, but true...
Oh, well, yeah. The CO of my first ship did that with one of my fellow ensigns. But usually that's for the Line SWO guys who would require administrative action if the DNQ'ed. For a Suppo or Doc or whatever, it wouldn't be required, and the CO wouldn't be under any pressure to qual a guy he didn't feel was ready or competant.
091204-N-0659H-002 MILLINGTON, Tenn. (Dec. 4, 2009) Nine officers assigned to Navy Personnel Command were among the first Sailors Navy-wide to receive the Professional Aviation Maintenance Officer (PAMO) warfare designator during a ceremony Dec. 4. The PAMO qualification recognizes the significant contributions made by aviation ground officers supporting the Navy's aviation mission and war fighting capabilities. The PAMO community is comprised of aerospace maintenance duty officers, aviation maintenance limited duty officers, and aviation maintenance chief warrant officers. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class LaTunya Howard/Released)
Never mind, answered my own question.
Sharp looking wings though, one of the few good looking designs of late, I'll say.
Sharp looking wings though, one of the few good looking designs of late, I'll say.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
We have become the fucking Air Force.
How do you figure?
Pieces of flair for everyone.
Don't you mean “bling?”
Crap! What next? In my day it was easy to figure out what someone did in the Navy! Left arm, hat, chest, it was done! Very few devices. Now you need a study guide.Steve
Huh?