New wings approved for AMDO/Aviation LDO/CWOs

[NYYanks]

Unless I'm mistaken, I've seen only a handful of devices in use by the Marines 1. Recon fellas 2. NA's and NFO's. I made the comment half sarcastic because it seems whenever something like this comes up, there is always a group of people who have an issue with someone (this case being AMDO's) getting something to set them apart from their peers, or something that they can take pride in.

 

[MasterBates]

Doing a PQS or "not fucking away your job" is NOT the same as getting thru flight school, or sub school/power school.

 

[NYYanks]

Doing a PQS or "not fucking away your job" is NOT the same as getting thru flight school, or sub school/power school.

Yer def right MB, these new shiny wings are not on the same level as those two, but don't those who want to follow the ways of the SWOdom also have a PQS and a short school? They are all different beasts (though admittedly nothing can compare to something which can take almost two years to earn), but it is like comparing a trident and the ESWS or EAWS for enlisted. One takes quite awhile, with multiple schools, while the others take a simple PQS to complete. The pins are more of a pride bit for those who put in that extra work (compared to peers).

 

[MasterBates]

But they get same "billing" as Naval Aviator / NFO wings.

This is another case of hippy bullshit "when everyone is special, nobody is different" self esteem BS like kids getting participation trophies for just showing the fuck up to baseball practice.

I declare shenanigans.

 

[nittany03]

Don't hold back, Master. Tell us how you REALLY feel!

 

[BACONATOR]

Doing a PQS or "not fucking away your job" is NOT the same as getting thru flight school, or sub school/power school.

Tell that to the SWOs... their pin was created in what?... 1975? Weren't the dolphins and aviator badges the FIRST warfare devices?

 

[MasterBates]

Special pins because we did what was outside the norm for Naval Officer (and MUCH more dangerous that being a SWO at the time).

Now I'm betting there is probably a special pin for Admin LDOs coming next.

 

[Bevo16]

Yay!!! Everyone gets an award!!!!

Maybe helo squadrons can get some fancy almost aircrew wings for our maintainers that fly with us on FCF's. It can have crossed rotor and a wrench in the middle.

I think it's kind of ironic that on the top of the board right now we have a story about a retired senior chief getting busted for wearing medals that he didn't earn, probably because of some feeling if inadequacy. Then we also have a story about the creation of a new naval award to placate some small group's feeling of inadequacy.

 

[Pags]

Doing a PQS or "not fucking away your job" is NOT the same as getting thru flight school, or sub school/power school.

...or the many years they had to spend in the navy to become a CWO/LDO.

Admin CWOs have a special collar device, as do most CWOs.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=268

 

[phrogpilot73]

That damn Naval Aviator envy started the whole thing.

Fixed it for you.

Naval Aviator wings were designed in 1917, Submariners designed their dolphins in 1923.

 

[jollygreen07]

Eh, I say let 'em have their "wings." I don't quite think we've gotten to the Air Force level of gheyness WRT warfare devices. Christ, every E-2 and his spouse had some kind of comms/maintenance/shoe tying device at Vance.

These guys (the AMDO/LDOs) are busting their ass to make sure we can fly, regardless of their posting. There's no doubt who has the real wings in the Navy.

Oh, and about the original design... Did some board sit down back in '17 and base their decision on the design that's gonna get the wearer the most ass throughout time?

If so, bully for us! 'Cause it worked!

 

[NavAir42]

Christ, every E-2 and his spouse had some kind of comms/maintenance/shoe tying device at Vance.

No kidding. I saw my E-3 air force cousin almost exactly two months after he left boot camp and he had some gay insignia thing above the, no shit, four ribbons on his chest. He spent boot camp and two months in the air force and had two rows of ribbons while I had wings and a pizza stain right after flight school. All I could do was shake my head. At least he recognized my incredulous look and understood that he was wearing five participation awards.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

Doing a PQS or "not fucking away your job" is NOT the same as getting thru flight school, or sub school/power school.

Ok, but how does making it through flight school qualify you for a warfare pin? Wouldn't it seem more appropriate to get the warfare pin at least after the RAG or better yet, after you qualify in your first squadron?

 

[Ken_gone_flying]

No kidding. I saw my E-3 air force cousin almost exactly two months after he left boot camp and he had some gay insignia thing above the, no shit, four ribbons on his chest. He spent boot camp and two months in the air force and had two rows of ribbons while I had wings and a pizza stain right after flight school. All I could do was shake my head. At least he recognized my incredulous look and understood that he was wearing five participation awards.

My brother is an Air Force Reservist and I always use to joke him about that too. I was an active duty E-5 (3 years overseas) and had four rows of ribbons. He had two less years in the military and only worked a weekend a month and wasn't too far behind me.

 

[TheBubba]

Ok, but how does making it through flight school qualify you for a warfare pin? Wouldn't it seem more appropriate to get the warfare pin at least after the RAG or better yet, after you qualify in your first squadron?

Because you are rated as a Naval Aviator or Naval Flight Officer at the completion of flight school. Isn't it true that your designator isn't whatever a pin-wearing shoe's is until you get the blessing from your skipper that you've successfully earned your pin?

Flight school is essentially a huge PQS that results in a qualification. There would be too many different instructions on how one would earn their wings should you push it to the RAG/Fleet squadron level. When would you give a F/A-18 pilot his wings vs an F/A-18F pilot? What about a P-3 NFO vs an ECMO? Each community within aviation would have to essentially have its own set of regs on how to earn wings.

And what do you mean after you qualify? Qualify as mission commander? Aircraft commander? 1P? Section lead? Division Lead?