Nuclear carrier in Japan

[gaijin6423]

This was inevitable. The Japanese SDF and government came to this conclusion a while ago, and they've planned for some time not to oppose it when the time came. I've got an official JMSDF publication that specifically states it. More than that, though, a lot of JMSDF Officers (their version of the CNO down to ENS) see this as tying the US and Japan closer together, which they want. Besides, what's the Japanese government going to say? "Oh, no Mister America, please don't protect us from that raving lunatic who can have his missiles exploding on us in less than an hour." I think not.

 

[HooverPilot]

I wonder how this will affect the JFK? The KH is supposed to be decommissioned in 08 isn't it?

'06 Ship decomm schedule as listed on Bupers:

OATUZYUW RUCOWCA1737 2972210-UUUU--RUCRNAD.
ZNR UUUUU ZUI RHHMMCB3846 2981203
O R 242210Z OCT 05 ZUI ASN-PCC298000390 PSN 397159K34
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC
TO NAVADMIN
ZEN/NAVADMIN @ AL NAVADMIN(UC)
INFO ZEN/CNO CNO
BT
UNCLAS
SUBJ: FY06 SHIP DECOMMISSIONING SCHEDULE (U)
PASS TO OFFICE CODES:
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N801S2//
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC
UNCLASSIFIED //N03120//
NAVADMIN 279/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N80/OCT//
SUBJ/FY06 SHIP DECOMMISSIONING SCHEDULE (U)//
POC/MS. J.WILLIAMS/CIV/N801S2/LOC: WASHINGTON DC/TEL: 703 614-9260//
RMKS/1. LISTED BELOW IS THE FY06 DECOMMISSIONING SCHEDULE.
PROJECTED DATE FOR EACH UNIT AT DISCRETION OF FLEET COMMANDER,
WITHIN ANTICIPATED FISCAL YEAR. SCHEDULE PROMULGATED TO FACILITATE



PAGE 02 RUCOWCA1737 UNCLAS
FLEET PLANNING; HOWEVER, DECOMMISSIONING DATES MAY BE CHANGED BASED
ON THE ONGOING OSD PROGRAM/BUDGET REVIEW AND/OR CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.
2. NUCLEAR SHIPS REPORT TO INACTIVATION FACILITY FOR STANDDOWN
WITHIN GIVEN MONTH, FOLLOWED BY DECOMMISSIONING.
3. DECOM SCHEDULE IS AS FOLLOWS:
SHIPS HULL CURRENT HOMEPORT DECOM DATE
BELLEAU WOOD (LHA 3) SAN DIEGO 28 OCT 05
THOMAS S GATES (CG 51) PASCAGOULA 16 DEC 05
SALT LAKE CITY (SSN 716) SAN DIEGO 15 JAN 06
GRASP (ARS 51) NORFOLK 19 JAN 06 (NOTE 1)
OSPREY (MHC 51) INGLESIDE 01 MAR 06
ROBIN (MHC 54) INGLESIDE 01 MAR 06
ORIOLE (MHC 55) INGLESIDE 15 MAR 06
FALCON (MHC 59) INGLESIDE 15 MAR 06
GRAPPLE (ARS 53) NORFOLK 13 JUL 06 (NOTE 1)
JOHN F KENNEDY (CV 67) MAYPORT 30 SEP 06
AUSTIN (LPD 4) NORFOLK 30 SEP 06
NOTE: (1) TRANSFERRED TO MILITARY SEALIFT COMMAND.
4. THIS MESSAGE WILL BE UPDATED QUARTERLY.
5. RELEASED BY CAPT J. GRUEWALD, N8A//
BT
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[wink]

Besides, what's the Japanese government going to say? "Oh, no Mister America, please don't protect us from that raving lunatic who can have his missiles exploding on us in less than an hour." I think not.

No, but that is what a very large segment of the Japanese public is essentially saying, as is the South Korean public, for God's sake!

 

[gaijin6423]

Maybe things have changed in the last two years, but I did not meet one person who was opposed to basing a nuclear-powered carrier or sub there. Granted, there does exist a very left-oriented segment of the population which is speaking out against this, but it's mainly over-privelaged university students. I'm not saying that things could not have changed since I was last there, but I probably would have heard about it from my Japanese host family, who are involved in a pretty wide range of things. My host father, specifically, is the retired Japanese equivalent of the Vice CNO, and he usually mentions things like this in his emails. I'll ask him, just to be sure.

 

[highlyrandom]

If "atomic bomb: nuclear-powered carrier", then "firebomb: jet engine-powered airplane"


I don't see anyone protesting jet engines!

 

[Brett327]

If "atomic bomb: nuclear-powered carrier", then "firebomb: jet engine-powered airplane"


I don't see anyone protesting jet engines!

Oh yeah? Ask our Japanese "hosts" how they like the noise at Kadena. I wonder what the analogous pairing/precursor would be for being gang-raped by some drunken enlisted Marines?

Brett

 

[gregsivers]

Really, then what explains all those nuke power plants in Japan? They have a problem with a pacifist population that views military power, especially US military power, with disdain. A nuke CV implied nuke weapons. That was the real bur under their saddle. And if some people call it understandable, I consider it naive given their geopolitical situation. Glad the Japanese government has found a couple hanging between their legs.

I said that because when I was there for a MIDN cruise at Yokosuka a couple SSNs were there for a few days, and the Japanese had a boat in the water monitoring the status of the water all the time. The officer who was taking us around the base told us how apprehensive the Japanese were about having nuke powered boats there. Just saying how it was when I was there.

 

[SteveG75]

Well, I will say that Roppongi is a hell a lot more fun than Agana (Guam).

 

[The Chief]

Well, I will say that Roppongi is a hell a lot more fun than Agana (Guam).

Ha Ha. Agana is so bad the changed the name of the place!

 

[mules83]

I read this on navy.mil. More PR stuff about the kitty hawk being replaced.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=20812

Special release from the U.S. Department of Defense

WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy announced Oct. 27 that one of its nine Nimitz-class aircraft carriers will replace USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) as the forward-deployed carrier in the Western Pacific, and will arrive in Yokosuka, Japan in 2008.

Kitty Hawk is nearing the end of its service life and will return to the United States in 2008 to be decommissioned.

 

[gaijin6423]

Ah, Roppongi... What CAN'T you do there? Not a whole lot, that's for sure.

 

[Fred]

If "atomic bomb: nuclear-powered carrier", then "firebomb: jet engine-powered airplane"


I don't see anyone protesting jet engines!

Just the jet noise near Atsugi. :icon_mi_1

 

[Fred]

I read this on navy.mil. More PR stuff about the kitty hawk being replaced.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=20812

I bet they move an East Coast carrier.

 

[Flash]

'06 Ship decomm schedule as listed on Bupers:

OATUZYUW RUCOWCA1737 2972210-UUUU--RUCRNAD.
ZNR UUUUU ZUI RHHMMCB3846 2981203
O R 242210Z OCT 05 ZUI ASN-PCC298000390 PSN 397159K34
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC
TO NAVADMIN
ZEN/NAVADMIN @ AL NAVADMIN(UC)
INFO ZEN/CNO CNO
BT
UNCLAS
SUBJ: FY06 SHIP DECOMMISSIONING SCHEDULE (U)
PASS TO OFFICE CODES:
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N801S2//
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC
UNCLASSIFIED //N03120//
NAVADMIN 279/05
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N80/OCT//
SUBJ/FY06 SHIP DECOMMISSIONING SCHEDULE (U)//
POC/MS. J.WILLIAMS/CIV/N801S2/LOC: WASHINGTON DC/TEL: 703 614-9260//
RMKS/1. LISTED BELOW IS THE FY06 DECOMMISSIONING SCHEDULE.
PROJECTED DATE FOR EACH UNIT AT DISCRETION OF FLEET COMMANDER,
WITHIN ANTICIPATED FISCAL YEAR. SCHEDULE PROMULGATED TO FACILITATE



PAGE 02 RUCOWCA1737 UNCLAS
FLEET PLANNING; HOWEVER, DECOMMISSIONING DATES MAY BE CHANGED BASED
ON THE ONGOING OSD PROGRAM/BUDGET REVIEW AND/OR CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.
2. NUCLEAR SHIPS REPORT TO INACTIVATION FACILITY FOR STANDDOWN
WITHIN GIVEN MONTH, FOLLOWED BY DECOMMISSIONING.
3. DECOM SCHEDULE IS AS FOLLOWS:
SHIPS HULL CURRENT HOMEPORT DECOM DATE
BELLEAU WOOD (LHA 3) SAN DIEGO 28 OCT 05
THOMAS S GATES (CG 51) PASCAGOULA 16 DEC 05
SALT LAKE CITY (SSN 716) SAN DIEGO 15 JAN 06
GRASP (ARS 51) NORFOLK 19 JAN 06 (NOTE 1)
OSPREY (MHC 51) INGLESIDE 01 MAR 06
ROBIN (MHC 54) INGLESIDE 01 MAR 06
ORIOLE (MHC 55) INGLESIDE 15 MAR 06
FALCON (MHC 59) INGLESIDE 15 MAR 06
GRAPPLE (ARS 53) NORFOLK 13 JUL 06 (NOTE 1)
JOHN F KENNEDY (CV 67) MAYPORT 30 SEP 06
AUSTIN (LPD 4) NORFOLK 30 SEP 06
NOTE: (1) TRANSFERRED TO MILITARY SEALIFT COMMAND.
4. THIS MESSAGE WILL BE UPDATED QUARTERLY.
5. RELEASED BY CAPT J. GRUEWALD, N8A//
BT
#1737

The Navy says the JFK was not suppose to be in the message.

Included in the initial list was the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy, based in Mayport, Fla., according to Mullen’s message.

However, the Navy rescinded that part of the message on Wednesday, saying it should not have been included.

Here is the link: http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=94315&ran=232044

 

[Lawman]

Granted, there does exist a very left-oriented segment of the population which is speaking out against this, but it's mainly over-privelaged university students.

Well what do you know. Our two cultures are more alike then we ever thought