They definitely get yelled at...I remember running in morning PT one day, and one of the chiefs was absolutely lambasting the DCO class that was running with us about how they needed to pick it up, and how they didn't have any pride in their service or effort because they were dogging it...I remember it being pretty amusing.
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OCS moving to Rhode Island?
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Ok, you're smoking some serious crack. I learned to dive in RI in the summer of '95. The water temp even then was 55 degrees and I could barely see two feet in front of me. I had to wear a quarter inch wetsuit with a hood and thick ass gloves. Even before I had dove anywhere else, I knew the diving sucked there. Then I moved to Florida and dove in the keys and the freshwater springs here. Then I really knew the diving sucked in RI.
As for whether RI sucks or not...yep, it sucks! The bars are a lot of fun though, especially in the summer time.
Sounds like we had completely opposite experiences. I dove mostly during the winter and spring there with a dry suit. Water temp wasn't even something I cared about. I NEVER dove in water that was less than 20 feet vis (except for once in a storm because there was a spearfishing tournament, but thats another story all together...). Thats more than I can say for my time diving in FL. The Keys are nice, and the springs can be cool if you like swimming pool clear water with about the same amount of interesting things to see, but most of N. Florida has about the same vis to what I saw in RI. As for diving in RI the clarity was pretty good most of the time for non-umbrella drink diving.
In my time there I dove on a German U-boat and an old merchant sailing vessel from the 1800's. Those were the only times I had to pay for a boat. I shore dove a torpedo dive bomber, a sunken car ferry with the cars inside, and a torpedo barge from the WWI era, as well as a few commercial fishing vessels. I did my deep air and decompression procedures quals there on bounce dives to the bottom of Narragansett bay while 600 foot long tankers were directly above me. The spearfishing there is pretty awesome right downtown and they hold tournaments about every other week in season. During lobster season you can easily bag enough "bugs" to have a lobster bake with your buds. The building that the dive shop down the street from the Red Parrot is in is owned by an ex-SEAL who is a great guy. Alot of his old pics are up from his days in the Teams are around the shop. The owner of the shop is a big name in technical diving and is one of the investigation divers when theres a mis-hap on the Andrea Doria. I learned alot by just hanging around him. I don't know about you, but I had a blast diving in RI!
Things must have changed quite a bit since I was in DCO school (and granted, that was 8 years ago now...). We didn't get yelled at - and I mean no one even so much as raised a voice. We were *lectured* at a couple of times, but neither the Senior Chief nor the DI assigned to our class ever did anything that even remotely resembled what they were doing to the OCS folks. Quite frankly, I found the whole DCO experience to be 2 weeks of my life flushed down the drain. I found the lack of rigor, both physically and mentally, annoying.
Maybe things have changed for the better; ongoing wars will do that now and then...
While I obviously didn't go to knife & fork, I know a bunch of CWOs and LDOs who did. All were commissioned with much pomp and ceremony at their last enlisted command (good for the troops morale to see an E make O) and all were treated like officers at knife & fork. Yes there were some "lectures" and "counseling", but these included "Sir" and did not include those little extras the DIs so love to give officer candidates.
Like FlyinSpy, most thought it was a joke. And I doubt most CWOs or LDOs would have put up with a DI in their face even if their commission did still had wet ink.
When I was AOCS, they kept kept knife & fork well separated from us. We would see them marching with our DI and we were always amazed at how human, patient and respectful he was. Of course we dreaded seeing him immediately after he got done because we had to pay for all his frustration with the CWO / LDO mistakes.
Why don't you post your ideas as to what you think will happen, then we'll praise or laugh at you, as appropriate.
Brett
My prediction: Classes that started at P-cola will end at P-cola, same for RI. DIs will make up for the lack of upper classes by taking out their jet lag on the first RI classes, slackers in the P-cola classes will get the distinct pleasure of being 13-week Candi-O's. Either way, I'll probably be delayed again (Just got bumped from Jun-30 to Jul-15, trying to get un-bumped) and no one not directly involved in the OCS pipeline will notice. Not that I actually know anything, just my $0.02.
Comparing the LDO/CWO program to the DCO program is like comparing apples and oranges. I know, an old cliche, but effective nontheless. LDO/CWO's have a plethora of active duty enlisted experience who, for the most part, have been recognized as the premier "Technical Managers & Specialist" of their previous rating. DCO's (as I understand the program and have seen personally) are those folks whom the Navy needs immediately (Doctors, Lawyers, Dentist, etc). While these personnel have the requisite academic credentials, they have little to no military experience. For those that don't know, the CWO program began with the birth of our Navy when we had to tap the sail-making and ship-handling expertise of the merchant seamen who had all the seamanship and seafaring skills. The LDO program grew out of the technological advancements (primarily RADAR & SONAR) of WWII when the Navy recognized the need to have a cadre of officers who understood and could employ the complexities of modern weapon systems. While the "indoctrination" and "training" of LDO/CWO's and DCO's into the officer community may appear to have similiarities, they have vastly different backgrounds and purpose.
Two words:
ROAD TRIP!
How cool would that be, road trippin' across the good ol' US of A with your DI and class chief?
Man, I think that'd be great. You could sing songs as you drive, maybe do PT on the bus seats.
Maybe they'll march them all the way there, that'd be cool too.
Uhg, late sims make me whippy.
I foresee many opportunities for difficulty. But don't mind me, I guess I'm just a giant pessimist about those sort of things.
So I was at my recruiters office yesterday and there was a brand new Ensign fresh out of OCS there. The gouge offered up on the move to Rhode Island is the following:
The facilities will be indoors (track/gym)
OCS classes will finish in Pensacola completely, then...
DIs will run the new classes without Candidate Officers in RI (for the first classes).
His DI was tough, and will be there as one of the first DIs in RI.
Any other info I get, i'll post.
The facilities will be indoors (track/gym)
OCS classes will finish in Pensacola completely, then...
DIs will run the new classes without Candidate Officers in RI (for the first classes).
His DI was tough, and will be there as one of the first DIs in RI.
Any other info I get, i'll post.
Everyone's DI was tough. And everyone had the toughest DI at OCS. Didn't you know that? :sleep_125
Didn't know that, but probably should have guessed.
The reasoning I mention that was because of the ensign's reference to the DI continuing to make life hell for them as Candios, which it sounds like isn't always the case? But yes, I do assume that the pre-reqs for being a DI include being a genuine overall bad ass.
MasterBates
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My DI was not the toughest at OCS. For about a week they ALL were (we ended up DI-less for a week or so).
GYSGT Cagle was an excellent DI.
SSGT Roquemore was the HARDEST man I have ever met.
"Our next exercise will be DIAMOND PUSHUPS! We will do a SHATTON OF THEM! Ready! BEGIN!"
GYSGT Cagle was an excellent DI.
SSGT Roquemore was the HARDEST man I have ever met.
"Our next exercise will be DIAMOND PUSHUPS! We will do a SHATTON OF THEM! Ready! BEGIN!"
For a second there, I thought to myself "hey that happened to me too!" Then I realized who posted it. GYSGT Cagle was good sh*t. He went to Okinawa right after us... any idea where he ended up?
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