OCS SWO Ranking and Ship Selection

[wlawr005]

You can't lump Warrant/LDO folks in with the prior-enlisted URLs; they are two different flavors entirely. If you take a commission as a URL, you should do so knowing that you'll be the on the same page as that 22 year old Academy graduate. You get all the same quals, bonuses, have to hit all the same promotion milestones, and compete in the same summary group, unlike the "Mustangs" who are on their own program.

In that case, I bet the new Ensigns hate you too. Crush. Them. All.

Can we change azguys call sign to Crusher?

 

[azguy]

In that case, I bet the new Ensigns hate you too. Crush. Them. All.

Can we change azguys call sign to Crusher?

How original, a prior-E guy gets butt hurt that I don't think he's special. I've seen this movie once or twice...

 

[wlawr005]

How original. An OCS class decided that they would let the priors get first choice and the Crusher decided that was some sort of prior enlisted sense of entitlement.

Maybe the priors took the leadership positions early, helped the class mitigate some bullshit, kept everyone's ribbons on the correct side of the uniform, and helped some people see the light at the end of the tunnel when they may've wanted to quit.

Make sure you Crush that spirit and ignore those leaders when they show up to your command as an Ensign. I don't know how you got your commission, but those guys were selected to be Officers because they'd already proven their potential to be good Officers. Are there dumbass priors? Of course, but they were probably stupid to begin with and fall directly in line with all the dumbass non-priors.

Crush. Away.

 

[robav8r]

You can't lump Warrant/LDO folks in with the prior-enlisted URLs; they are two different flavors entirely. If you take a commission as a URL, you should do so knowing that you'll be the on the same page as that 22 year old Academy graduate. You get all the same quals, bonuses, have to hit all the same promotion milestones, and compete in the same summary group, unlike the "Mustangs" who are on their own program.

Crusher: LDO/ CWO's aren't the only ones who get to call themselves "Mustangs."

 

[robav8r]

I'm in law school and have employment secured in the area already and we really don't want to upset those plans.

Your bigger issue Keegan is how you will reconcile your career with your husbands down the road. At some point, it's likely they will diverge at some point.

 

[azguy]

Make sure you Crush that spirit and ignore those leaders when they show up to your command as an Ensign. I don't know how you got your commission, but those guys were selected to be Officers because they'd already proven their potential to be good Officers. Are there dumbass priors? Of course, but they were probably stupid to begin with and fall directly in line with all the dumbass non-priors.

Crush. Away.

This isn't a prior vs non-prior debate. The vast majority of prior-Es I've served with are solid officers and leaders with no chip on their shoulder - which is why 44magnum's post was so shocking to me.

I think any O-1 that shows up with a sense of entitlement, for any reason (their dad is a CAPT, they played varsity football, Ivy League ROTC grad, etc) is probably in need of an aggressive course correction. We were all selected for a commission, through some vetting process, because of some demonstrated potential.

 

[jtmedli]

How original. An OCS class decided that they would let the priors get first choice and the Crusher decided that was some sort of prior enlisted sense of entitlement.

Maybe the priors took the leadership positions early, helped the class mitigate some bullshit, kept everyone's ribbons on the correct side of the uniform, and helped some people see the light at the end of the tunnel when they may've wanted to quit.

Make sure you Crush that spirit and ignore those leaders when they show up to your command as an Ensign. I don't know how you got your commission, but those guys were selected to be Officers because they'd already proven their potential to be good Officers. Are there dumbass priors? Of course, but they were probably stupid to begin with and fall directly in line with all the dumbass non-priors.

Crush. Away.

Let it go. Being a prior doesn't make you a special ENS or whatever. If you show with a shitty attitude and a sense of entitlement then you're probably not helping anyone. Helping people with ribbons or BS or whatever is great so don't get me wrong. That's why it's a good thing to have prior-Es around. But in the end, you're in a new rank, a new job, and a new ballpark now so get over yourselves and play nice with everyone else (and try not to brag about the sweet paycheck). I've seen just as many prior-enlisted who couldn't hack it in OCS or flight school as I have brand-new commissioned folks.

 

[Flash]

How original. An OCS class decided that they would let the priors get first choice and the Crusher decided that was some sort of prior enlisted sense of entitlement...Make sure you Crush that spirit and ignore those leaders when they show up to your command as an Ensign. I don't know how you got your commission, but those guys were selected to be Officers because they'd already proven their potential to be good Officers. Are there dumbass priors? Of course, but they were probably stupid to begin with and fall directly in line with all the dumbass non-priors.

Crush. Away.

Let it go. Being a prior doesn't make you a special ENS or whatever...

Jtmedli is right, be like Elsa and just...Let. It. Go. I am not sure who pissed in your cornflakes about being a prior-E but you ain't that special. If you really are, keep it to yourself. The vast majority of priors I knew were pretty chill about it, they didn't throw it in folks faces but they were also proud of it and weighed in when it mattered. But they had to prove themselves just like every other JO.

Back to Azguy's original point, I am also a bit puzzled why the class chose to do it that way especially since I have never heard of a rack and stack done that way.

And again in the meantime, just be like this little lady....

 

[wlawr005]

First of all, I'm in a community that is hard on new guys no matter who you are, and I do pretty fucking well.

Secondly, if you think I'm going to sit idly by while some fucking blow hard rants about Crushing. Prior. Enlisted. then you're gonna be disappointed.

All things aside, Crusher's post was stupid, in poor taste, and completely off base. I guarantee I know 10 times the amount of priors he does, and for every one dipshit, there are five that are extremely successful.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

This isn't a prior vs non-prior debate. The vast majority of prior-Es I've served with are solid officers and leaders with no chip on their shoulder - which is why 44magnum's post was so shocking to me.

Better than what I have seen, the prior E's that I knew it was about 50/50 as to who was really good and who had issues, that also includes CWO and LDO, of the 50% who had issues they all weren't bad officers some just found out life wasn't as good as they thought, I think it was the "grass is greener issue", but some did have the "I was enlisted before so......" and those are the ones that usually ended up learning the hard way.

 

[Gatordev]

Words.

More words.

 

[Spekkio]

Better than what I have seen, the prior E's that I knew it was about 50/50 as to who was really good and who had issues, that also includes CWO and LDO, of the 50% who had issues they all weren't bad officers some just found out life wasn't as good as they thought, I think it was the "grass is greener issue", but some did have the "I was enlisted before so......" and those are the ones that usually ended up learning the hard way.

The bad priors are the ones who are cruising just to get O-3 retirement, know they are virtually untouchable as long as they don't break the law, and decide they don't have to do their part in helping fellow JOs ward off DH reindeer games because they already paid their dues.

 

[picklesuit]

Weighing in as one of the prior E's,
As far as my relationship with other Officers, my previous service was a non-issue. The only benefit I had over the boot Ensign was the ability to deal with the morons at PSD and track a sub with Doppler.

When it really helped was dealing with my Enlisted Sailors. Having AC wings in the smoke pit kept me abreast of a lot of things, and gave me some initial credibility (which I had to continue to prove) allowing me to help the command deal with emergent and chronic issues from the E side that otherwise may have been ignored.

In regard to the OCS class selecting duty stations: all O-1(s) being equal, the guy with 12 years probably has more of a claim to the coast he wants than the 90 day wonder, in my opinion.

Pickle

 

[robav8r]

Weighing in as one of the prior E's,
As far as my relationship with other Officers, my previous service was a non-issue. The only benefit I had over the boot Ensign was the ability to deal with the morons at PSD and track a sub with Doppler.

When it really helped was dealing with my Enlisted Sailors. Having AC wings in the smoke pit kept me abreast of a lot of things, and gave me some initial credibility (which I had to continue to prove) allowing me to help the command deal with emergent and chronic issues from the E side that otherwise may have been ignored.

In regard to the OCS class selecting duty stations: all O-1(s) being equal, the guy with 12 years probably has more of a claim to the coast he wants than the 90 day wonder, in my opinion.

Pickle

Great post ! +1

 

[ClassyGent23]

The place gets a bad rep because, even though it can be "pretty nice," most (all?) other Navy bases are in nicer places (California, Hawaii, Florida, Rota, etc).

The base gets a bad rep because of the culture. I don't know what's to blame for that, many say it's due to the proximity to DC, I don't know.

Interesting. I know Norfolk is prolly one of my top choices when I'm able to pick.