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Packet is in... waiting game... turn my attention to OCS preperation
- Thread starter DoubleOswo7
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Understatement of the year. I was at OCS from March until July (with three weeks at the old Nimitz and fifteen at the new one), and they changed around just about everything during that time. They pushed RLP up one week, all the PFA's moved back so that you now take your Out-PFA as a candio in week 11, and Nav and NOS are taken at the same time, as are Eng/Weps and NOW. Plus they changed the Victory Run into some sort of capstone event, and of course, on my very last day at OCS, they dropped eating by the numbers. But again, I digress.
BLUF: You still get two weeks for each class, but they're taken in pairs now (with the exception of the first class, Sea Power). The fact that the last two are the most difficult and also happen to coincide with ORLP make learning moboards harder than they otherwise would be.
EDIT: Here's the breakdown now - ORLP Wednesday, Nav Final and Mid-PFA Thursday, and NOS Final Friday. ORLP reinspects Saturday, and Nav/NOS retests on Monday.
Because radar is up 100% of the time without any "combat systems casualties" underway, ever.
And I have already seen enough SWO skippers do a cartwheel if "you don't have a moboard on it" and had 0% intention to.
LFCFan
*Insert nerd wings here*
The instructions certainly weren't on the paper. Comparing stuff to the scale isn't the hard part, its getting all the procedures down for the various types of moboards. I'm starting to wonder if they actually added stuff to seamanship since then.
Yep, that's what I've heard.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
They don't have more than 1 independent radar?Because radar is up 100% of the time without any "combat systems casualties" underway, ever.
We have more robust options than having the OOD get involved in the mechanics of making a moboard in the event of a loss of military nav radar... surface ships don't?
That might have to do with the way they were taught, too. When sub CCS were upgraded, many COs would still 'man' the time/freq and fusion plots despite the fact they became integrated/automated with solution development, just because that's how they learned to do it.
Look at the bottom left corner:
http://discoverysailing.com/ymt3/dma5090.jpg
Not descriptive enough for someone who's never done one to be able to do it, but enough of a reminder that you don't have to go crazy. All you have to remember is true is from the origin.
We had some basic questions on nautical terminology and had to identify a couple of flags. None of the questions were a surprise, though.
DoubleOswo7
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My O-5 Navy diver friend says moboards are outdated and probably are not used anymore. Just what he said. Mentioning more of scope plotting.
LFCFan
*Insert nerd wings here*
By "instructions" I thought you meant the steps for specific types of moboard problems or something more along those lines.
There's quite a bit more to remember than "We are ER." I I'll be lucky if I can still find CPA a few months from now, let alone change of station or winds. And it looks like the instructions on the moboard only talk about using the nomogram, which is essentially a whiz-wheel, only worse.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
That's because you don't truly understand vectors. You could actually calculate a moboard for simple situations in your head using equations. There were old timers on here who would say they would prod the SWOs by doing just that faster than they could draw the moboard.
If I do say so myself, I'm pretty good with vectors, trig, and the like. I had no issues with moboards either; it's just not something that it behooves me to know. In my class, about three graduates out of 92 will ever use moboards again in their lives. Unless they do their shore tour at OTCN and wind up teaching the class, which would probably be the cruelest irony on the planet. Point being, there must be some other type of common knowledge for all Naval officers. For example, I imagine more people would need pistol training than moboards training. So drop NOS and take candidates to a range. I know there's other kinks with that, I'm just saying it'd be more useful to more people than moboards.
Truth. Our DI said some funny stuff (see quotes thread), but so help you if you laughed or smiled. I usually just tried to think of something really morbid or depressing. Or just think about the beating you'd get for laughing.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Pistol qual would be a waste of money on ammo. It would expire before anyone was qualified a watch to use it (6 months). You'd also have to leave OCS with the completed PQS in hand.
But I do agree with your sentiment. How to properly review a 3m force rev, review a job in OMMS to ensure shireside support doesn't kick it back, or submit a FBR? Much more universally applicable, and while the mantra was that the CPO is supposed to teach you this stuff, there were two chiefs of 13 outside the 3mc who knew how to do it right and where all the guidance was.
As a bonus, officers won't look completely retarded for showing up as a DIVO and not knowing how the Navy administratively tracks and plans maintenance.