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Question about recruiters
- Thread starter kwarner04
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I learn something new everyday here on AW.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
I suppose that would depend on whether that someone could become qualified or not. Regardless, OP never gave any indication that he was told that he wasn't qualified to become an officer.
It is regrettably true that some officer recruiters have it so easy making their numbers that they have made a habit of not returning calls for initial info. Most time though, they really are very busy. They have other duties besides sitting around waiting for the phone to ring. I can tell you that there was a big conference this week, in Houston no less, that took many recruiters and OPO Department heads out of action nationwide. Since Houston was the host it is very possible that your recruiter has been very busy for a long time planning and hosting. Even a diligent recruiter is going to put returning calls for info near the bottom of the priority list. Getting folks stacked, racked and out the door is the priority. Oh yeah, then there are the JAG investigations, training, out of town college visits and career fairs, PTing with applicants and BDCPers, etc. If you get no satisfaction soon, call the Officer Programs Officer, the Department Head, and if that doesn't work look at the phone list for NRD Houston and call the Executive Officer. Don't narc on the guy first call to the XO, just play dumb. Having the XO forward your message, will get the recruiter to call.
WishICouldFly
UO Future Pork Chop
Well, as a Recruiter myself... I would have to say that it is VERY easy to go officer after enlisted. Let's say an applicant goes enlist while waiting board results, ships to Boot Camp and finds out they got selected. they got a choice at that point. STAY enlisted OR go OFFICER. it's the same for NROTC applicants as well. The reason they want you to go enlisted is that is DOES show the board your commitment to the NAVY and not just for Officer. The enlisted recruiting side gets credit for you joining and then if you get picked up for officer, the don't lose credit, but they also get credit for the officer side as well. So, they want to "double-dip" so to say.
I hope this helps ya a little bit...
I hope this helps ya a little bit...
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Only one problem: If your goal is to serve as an officer, you are not obligated to serve if you don't get selected. You can then reapply/do something to boost your application. If you apply for both and don't get accepted to serve as an officer, you are now obligated to serve 4 years as an enlisted sailor before you can apply to become an officer again.
Sure it makes the enlisted recruiter happy, but the applicant probably won't be.
Sure it makes the enlisted recruiter happy, but the applicant probably won't be.
Ugh! As someone who went that route (E to O), it hurts me to see a recruiter using that line to make his numbers.
While I agree that it is very possible to make the jump to a commissioning program right off the bat like EM1 stated, it is not very likely.
Do not, I repeat, do NOT enlist if your only purpose is to become an officer. You will be hurting yourself right off the bat if you go in with that expectation and that attitude. There is one thing that most of the prior enlisted officers have in common: SUSTAINED SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE as an E. It is fine to have the goal to become an O, but you will be shat upon by your immediate superiors and your peers if that is your only stated purpose.
EM1: If you are filling spongy young brains with that line in order to get your numbers up, I would think again. Remember back to your days as a heady young recruit in Great Lakes. There was nothing that makes a recruit more pissed off than getting stuck in a shitty job that they didn't want because their recruiter lied to them (or even gave them false hope, as this is what you seem to be doing). At the end of the day, you have to look at yourself in the mirror, but I would have a really hard time justifying that to myself. These guys MAY be pulling you out of a burning compartment someday. Think about that...
no, I never said that I do condone those practices, nor have I ever used those practices. I'm simply stating the fact that I have seen/heard people use those "selling tactics" on young applicants and that's probably what has happend to him/her. I'm #4 in the nation as far as recruiting Nukes goes and I have no need to "cheat/scam" applicants into joining enlisted then going officer. I personally, have had people who have enlisted into the Nuclear field and prior to shipping to basic have applied for and received a commission. I always encourage even the worst candidates to apply for commissioning programs, that way they simply just have another option in their Navy life/career.
I realize the company I'm in, but I'm not feeling a whole lotta love out there for the enlisted career path. There is a SHITLOAD of pride in being an enlisted guy. And you DO get an amazing amount of knowledge and leadership experience as an enlisted man. There are superior men who are enlisted that make this machine work way better than any company grade officer ever could. Put your sabres away and stop shitting on the career paths of the men who work for you.
Wrong. Read my post. I was enlisted and picked up ECP in 1998. I have no regrets and wouldn't have done it any other way. Try again.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
I don't think people are shitting on enlisted guys, but rather trying to inform the OP that if his goal is a commission, he shouldn't enlist. It's like going to nursing school when you really want to be a doctor. Yes, you'll be in the medical profession either way, but the jobs and career paths are quite different.
Some of the best men in military history were enlisted guys, and I've heard several military vets say that NCOs are the backbone of our military.
Hold your fire devil dog! You are so far off target you are going to hit the 10 year old walking with her grandmother in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot. No officer on this forum will ever be allowed to take pot shots at enlisted. Rather, there are far more threads about all the hard work that goes with an enlisted career path and the relative lack of reward (aside from personal, that is). Remember that the founding members of this site are prior enlisted. All due respect goes to the men and women that storm the beaches, man the perimeter fences, keep the planes we fly in the air and pay us our beer money.
Drunk posting is a bitch.
X1000.
I still want my Navy College Fund you lying SOB. I'm gonna run into you one of these Days OS1 Otero.
ummmm... Excuse me, but do I know you? I think you need to put the bottle down and consider some rehab..