$150M?? Try about $338M.
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Raptors and Lazers
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"Program acquisition unit cost has doubled, from $149 million in $345 million in 2005."
from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-cost.htm
from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-cost.htm
I've hear $300+ million from MSM sources all the time, only to read on this website and others that it's ~$150 million/unit because YOU'RE AN IDIOT CIVILIAN AND COULDN'T POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND HOW GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT WORKS!!!!
And now we get it from the USAF U-2 driver that he considers the former the true cost of the Raptor. So which is it?
EDIT: HT FlyBoyd, thanks for the link.
Looks like the pilot was USAF-ret, working for LM.
They are all "true". It depends on what sort of truth (lie?) you're trying to get at by distilling a complex acquisition into one number.
Program acquisition - Lump R&D and manufacturing costs, divide by the number of airframes. Usually the highest figure.
Flyaway/marginal cost - how much more it'd cost you to run another one off the production line. Generally the lowest figure
Lifecycle cost- incorporates everything from R&D to manufacture to maintenance to the end of its expected lifetime. Obviously, this one carries lots of assumptions about what future costs will be.
Program acquisition - Lump R&D and manufacturing costs, divide by the number of airframes. Usually the highest figure.
Flyaway/marginal cost - how much more it'd cost you to run another one off the production line. Generally the lowest figure
Lifecycle cost- incorporates everything from R&D to manufacture to maintenance to the end of its expected lifetime. Obviously, this one carries lots of assumptions about what future costs will be.
Sorry to hear we lost an aviator.
On the money issue, I was going over GAO reports looking at program costs, and like mmx1 said there are several ways to skin this cat, but the GAO usually takes into account overall program cost when arriving at figure for unit cost. There are people here that know WAY more than I do about procurement, but from what I gathered out of the reports it is generally accepted that the unit for an F-22 is in the $300 mil range.
Suggestion: If this discussion gets more into money maybe split the thread off. Something feels wrong about expressing regards for a passing aviator and also talking about money in the same thread.... both worthy AW topics, but maybe not good bedfellows.
On the money issue, I was going over GAO reports looking at program costs, and like mmx1 said there are several ways to skin this cat, but the GAO usually takes into account overall program cost when arriving at figure for unit cost. There are people here that know WAY more than I do about procurement, but from what I gathered out of the reports it is generally accepted that the unit for an F-22 is in the $300 mil range.
Suggestion: If this discussion gets more into money maybe split the thread off. Something feels wrong about expressing regards for a passing aviator and also talking about money in the same thread.... both worthy AW topics, but maybe not good bedfellows.
Agreed on both counts, but I suspect that it would be practical within the 5-10 year time frame if they continue the research.