Recruiters

[rpat1987]

Hey LowHz, message me. I was a recruiter for the Army and currently on Active duty. I had to send up a 368.

 

[Jgot1too]

Hey all, I'm a SNA hopeful who had PRK surgery six months ago and my final checkup is today. I've been in contact every few months or so with my recruiter but he has been ghost for the past three weeks or so. Not answering calls, no email etc. I have all my paperwork finished minus the prk waiver and I want to make this next June 5th deadline....Any advice here?

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Hey all, I'm a SNA hopeful who had PRK surgery six months ago and my final checkup is today. I've been in contact every few months or so with my recruiter but he has been ghost for the past three weeks or so. Not answering calls, no email etc. I have all my paperwork finished minus the prk waiver and I want to make this next June 5th deadline....Any advice here?

Unless you have been to MEPS, and even if you have it would be a stretch to make this board. If you haven't been to MEPS there is not enough time.

 

[koliver]

I hope that this forum is still checked, but I have been told by a couple of retired Navy officers to not speak to an officer recruiter who is enlisted. They have been very firm that I only speak to an officer recruiter who is also an officer. One even told me that my chances will be far worse on getting selected. Is this true? My current recruiter is a chief.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

I hope that this forum is still checked, but I have been told by a couple of retired Navy officers to not speak to an officer recruiter who is enlisted. They have been very firm that I only speak to an officer recruiter who is also an officer. One even told me that my chances will be far worse on getting selected. Is this true? My current recruiter is a chief.

well, as a CPO OR I had more active selections than all but one of the officer OR's combined, at the time over half of the OR's were CPO's, the officers I worked with that were also OR's had to not only do officer recruiting, they had to manage a division, which includes inspections, station visits, goal meetings, etc....... so they were spread thin.

and unless the OR is a HR officer their time at the NRD is probably just 2 years, and for some how they do will have little bearing on their future, for instance one officer I worked with never met his goal, or came close, he transferred, made O-4 and is a department head now.

I also worked with a great LT that had many selections, but it still took a few months to figure out the processes and get up to speed, I also worked with a CPO that half ass'd applications.

So basically ignore what they said, they probably don't know how recruiting works.

 

[koliver]

well, as a CPO OR I had more active selections than all but one of the officer OR's combined, at the time over half of the OR's were CPO's, the officers I worked with that were also OR's had to not only do officer recruiting, they had to manage a division, which includes inspections, station visits, goal meetings, etc....... so they were spread thin.

and unless the OR is a HR officer their time at the NRD is probably just 2 years, and for some how they do will have little bearing on their future, for instance one officer I worked with never met his goal, or came close, he transferred, made O-4 and is a department head now.

I also worked with a great LT that had many selections, but it still took a few months to figure out the processes and get up to speed, I also worked with a CPO that half ass'd applications.

So basically ignore what they said, they probably don't know how recruiting works.

Thank you. I was just making sure I was not hindering my application. I assumed that I was okay with my current recruiter.

 

[koliver]

well, as a CPO OR I had more active selections than all but one of the officer OR's combined, at the time over half of the OR's were CPO's, the officers I worked with that were also OR's had to not only do officer recruiting, they had to manage a division, which includes inspections, station visits, goal meetings, etc....... so they were spread thin.

and unless the OR is a HR officer their time at the NRD is probably just 2 years, and for some how they do will have little bearing on their future, for instance one officer I worked with never met his goal, or came close, he transferred, made O-4 and is a department head now.

I also worked with a great LT that had many selections, but it still took a few months to figure out the processes and get up to speed, I also worked with a CPO that half ass'd applications.

So basically ignore what they said, they probably don't know how recruiting works.

Thank you. I was just making sure I was not hindering my application. I assumed that I was okay with my current recruiter. He is very knowledgeable so I was not worried I just wanted to hear form someone on here

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

I hope that this forum is still checked, but I have been told by a couple of retired Navy officers to not speak to an officer recruiter who is enlisted. They have been very firm that I only speak to an officer recruiter who is also an officer. One even told me that my chances will be far worse on getting selected. Is this true? My current recruiter is a chief.

The officer recruiter of the year in my last command was a First Class Petty Officer, beating out Chiefs and Officers alike. For fiscal year 2014, the officer recruiter of the ENTIRE NATION was a Second Class Petty Officer. I can understand and have dealt with folks who only wanted their kids to work with an officer officer recruiter, but there is no correlation that officers are better ORs than enlisted.

 

[Hopeful Hoya]

The officer recruiter of the year in my last command was a First Class Petty Officer, beating out Chiefs and Officers alike. For fiscal year 2014, the officer recruiter of the ENTIRE NATION was a Second Class Petty Officer. I can understand and have dealt with folks who only wanted their kids to work with an officer officer recruiter, but there is no correlation that officers are better ORs than enlisted.

I'm working with a NC1 now and she is absolutely amazing, very on top of her stuff and gives it to you straight.

 

[wink]

I was an Officer Programs recruiter as a LT in the mid '80s and then later in my Reserve career spent over 4 years supporting the NRD in Officer Programs. The guys that said to not talk to an enlisted recruiter certainly don't know recruiting, but may also be informed by another era. Up until maybe the late 90s ALL officer recruiters we officers. There were few expectations, to include the Second Class Petty Officer that worked for me as a Medical Programs recruiter and that was largely because he was a Corpsman. If the guys you spoke with came from that era, then their info is dated. These days it is far more common to have a CPO or Petty Officer as a recruiter. The rank or fleet experience of the recruiter has no bearing on selection rate, as stated above. The only caveat, for the benefit of others reading this, is to not work with an enlisted recruiter who is an ENLISTED PRORGRAMS recruiter. They should refer you to an OR, who may or may not be an officer.

 

[koliver]

I was an Officer Programs recruiter as a LT in the mid '80s and then later in my Reserve career spent over 4 years supporting the NRD in Officer Programs. The guys that said to not talk to an enlisted recruiter certainly don't know recruiting, but may also be informed by another era. Up until maybe the late 90s ALL officer recruiters we officers. There were few expectations, to include the Second Class Petty Officer that worked for me as a Medical Programs recruiter and that was largely because he was a Corpsman. If the guys you spoke with came from that era, then their info is dated. These days it is far more common to have a CPO or Petty Officer as a recruiter. The rank or fleet experience of the recruiter has no bearing on selection rate, as stated above. The only caveat, for the benefit of others reading this, is to not work with an enlisted recruiter who is an ENLISTED PRORGRAMS recruiter. They should refer you to an OR, who may or may not be an officer.

Thank you and everyone else for your replies.

 

[blackbeard]

So I have been working with my OR and putting my package together and am planning on applying for SNA. He had me fill out the employment and character reference sheet and I asked him about letters of recommendation and he said I didn't need anything besides those forms filled out? I was wondering what other people might think about this or would recommend? I have a couple o-5 and 0-6's that would be willing to actually write a letter.

 

[koliver]

So I have been working with my OR and putting my package together and am planning on applying for SNA. He had me fill out the employment and character reference sheet and I asked him about letters of recommendation and he said I didn't need anything besides those forms filled out? I was wondering what other people might think about this or would recommend? I have a couple o-5 and 0-6's that would be willing to actually write a letter.

I heard you have your letters of rec go through the recruiter so maybe that's what those are for?

 

[wink]

You can get LORs submitted separately. Have them sent to the recruiter for inclusion in your packet. Should not come through you. It is best the letter writers know you well and can speak to some specific observations of you and judgments they have made about you. The Board recognizes easily the ones that are just going through the motions. Two military guys that might know you well is fine. I never recommended more then 3 maybe 4 letters. The fewer the better. Quality, not quantity.

 

[13ad13boy85]

Hello, I am active Army E6 Contract Specialist. Is it possible to commission?