NEWS Seahawks Sink Houthi Boats

[Spekkio]

This revelation doesn’t bode well for your own platform expertise, now does it. 😂

It does not. Unfortunately, we're married to certain assumptions despite overwhelming data do the contrary.

The results have the potential to be disasterous. Like when a kid takes karate at a McDojo and suddenly realizes that the bully doesn't actually fall down after 1 punch.

But maybe that's a pessimistic estimate. We'll see.

 

[Spekkio]

To answer your question:
The US Navy last FOUGHT a peer-to-peer at sea conflict in 1945. It last ENGAGED (as in maneuvered/plotted) a peer in late 1990’s agains the Soviet Union (Cold War).

Touche. I would also argue that we stagnated after the Cold War when the Soviet Union fell and we had no pacing threats. I'd also point out that the Soviet Union / Russia culturally doesn't really take its Navy very seriously outside of its submarine force... as if that wasn't self-evident by now based on the war in Ukraine. So it might be a bit of a stretch to call them a 'peer,' even if we thought so at the time.

Experience matters. The underway replenishment systems developed in WWII have been perfected to now. The ASW systems challenged so well during the Cold War are better and still improving. The Chinese have some very slick weapons systems but they are not combat tested. I’m not saying a war with China will be easy, but it is foolish to think every Chinese system will work as advertised.

I would agree when it comes to things like the ASBMs that have a very complicated kill chain... but SAMs? That's a technology that is decades old technology that they developed by harvesting other countries... as well as exploiting our generous student visa programs.

And yes... there's a certain quality in quantity. The Germans learned that the hard way in WWII, too.

 

[Random8145]

Touche. I would also argue that we stagnated after the Cold War when the Soviet Union fell and we had no pacing threats. I'd also point out that the Soviet Union / Russia culturally doesn't really take its Navy very seriously outside of its submarine force... as if that wasn't self-evident by now based on the war in Ukraine. So it might be a bit of a stretch to call them a 'peer,' even if we thought so at the time.

The Soviets had a close to peer navy built up by the late 1970s I believe.

 

[Gatordev]

We were a two-plane det on USS CONOLLY (DD-979), that was an "interesting" deployment from the AGM-119 perspective.

When was that? It seems like most of the Block 1s were made from 1992, so I'm assuming it was around this time?

 

[robav8r]

When was that? It seems like most of the Block 1s were made from 1992, so I'm assuming it was around this time?

Checking evals now - hold on . . . . Tony Stainbrook (prior Devil Dog Helo bubba was the OIC)

 

[Gatordev]

So apparently YOU are to blame for Penguin's failures!

 

[robav8r]

So apparently YOU are to blame for Penguin's failures!

We were a paper tiger (shocking, I know). You would think that the ship, CSG and squadron would want us to exercise ALL of the Caps/Lims during that deployment. I'm not sure if we ever took the missile out and practiced uploading it - once. But by-God, we knew all of the fly-swatter software functions. The best part of that deployment was celebrating the 50th anniversary of D-Day in southern France - great times . . .

 

[Gatordev]

You'll be pleased to know that when the fly-swatter patterns were deleted, we got a surprisingly functional SAR pattern library. Progress!

 

[mad dog]

Penguin! I believe @mad dog shot a few of these in "the old days" 👍

I did not do that.

 

[AIRMMCPORET]

Shooting our own down now.🤯

https://news.usni.org/2024/12/21/u-s-super-hornet-shot-down-over-red-sea-in-friendly-fire-incident-aviators-safe

 

[BigRed389]

To answer your question:
The US Navy last FOUGHT a peer-to-peer at sea conflict in 1945. It last ENGAGED (as in maneuvered/plotted) a peer in late 1990’s agains the Soviet Union (Cold War).

The Chinese People’s Army Navy has never FOUGHT a peer-to-peer fleet. It has never ENGAGED a peer fleet at sea.

Experience matters. The underway replenishment systems developed in WWII have been perfected to now. The ASW systems challenged so well during the Cold War are better and still improving. The Chinese have some very slick weapons systems but they are not combat tested. I’m not saying a war with China will be easy, but it is foolish to think every Chinese system will work as advertised.

The greatest weakness the US faces now isn’t in fleet composition, strategy, or tactics, it’s in force regeneration- both manpower and ships.

Also…regeneration of (the right kind of) munitions.

Arguably should be the biggest concern.