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separation/attrition from SNA/SNFO/SWO pipelines
- Thread starter erk
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snizo
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I doubt the policy of allowing people to DOR will change soon - aviation is voluntary.
As for going to the sand box ... the only people I heard about this happening to were USNA kids who DOR'd as soon as they showed up to API. And even among all of them - only know of three people who were sent somewhere. They all have a "spend a year, then try to redesignate or you can go home" deal. I'm not aware of anyone who actually gave it a shot then DOR'd getting any negative consequences. Of course - that is just what I know from personal experience and it could be different now.
People sent to random billets may fill a position previously occupied by army officers, but as far as I know there is still no forced transition from Navy to Army (there certainly wasn't when I went through) - you will stay a Navy officer. Blue to green (navy -> army) is voluntary and is offered when you get your IRAD (involuntary release) orders. Of course - the army promotes faster, so if you do get changed, you get O-2 pay faster
Oh - and a buddy of mine DOR'd maybe three business weeks ago. He got redesignated SWO (at his request). Its all about timing - one day ____ community has openinings, the next day everyone is full...like gambling?
As for going to the sand box ... the only people I heard about this happening to were USNA kids who DOR'd as soon as they showed up to API. And even among all of them - only know of three people who were sent somewhere. They all have a "spend a year, then try to redesignate or you can go home" deal. I'm not aware of anyone who actually gave it a shot then DOR'd getting any negative consequences. Of course - that is just what I know from personal experience and it could be different now.
People sent to random billets may fill a position previously occupied by army officers, but as far as I know there is still no forced transition from Navy to Army (there certainly wasn't when I went through) - you will stay a Navy officer. Blue to green (navy -> army) is voluntary and is offered when you get your IRAD (involuntary release) orders. Of course - the army promotes faster, so if you do get changed, you get O-2 pay faster
Oh - and a buddy of mine DOR'd maybe three business weeks ago. He got redesignated SWO (at his request). Its all about timing - one day ____ community has openinings, the next day everyone is full...like gambling?
I hear that the Navy wants to have people with "the stink of war" on them. Even kind of use it like a pre-req for higher advancement. I think that is just them trying to polish the turd called IA.
gatordev said:
Are they still yanking Navy IPs for IA billets? Or is it primarily a Marine thing? And if an active-duty IP is pulled to fill a billet, does he get six months added onto his instructor tour? Or does he complete his original orders, minus the 179 days he spent elsewhere?
HooverPilot said:
I can hear it at the next promotion board..."promote this LT now he's done a tour in Iraq and really smells bad....that is, it's the the stink of war...I mean he showers, but...nevermind..."
Actually, (yes, the dreaded actually) I did hear that one year unaccompanied billets in Bahrain are being "highly encouraged" by some aviation detailers.
Attrition
So do people fail out of the Aviation pipleine on purpose to get out of the Navy if they dont like it? Seems like a waste of a billet seeing that people are being turned away from the very spot those guys swore an oath to. As is life I guess, though if this is the case it will be that much worse if I dont get picked up knowing that guys can just say screw it and be on their merry way back to camp couch.
SN
So do people fail out of the Aviation pipleine on purpose to get out of the Navy if they dont like it? Seems like a waste of a billet seeing that people are being turned away from the very spot those guys swore an oath to. As is life I guess, though if this is the case it will be that much worse if I dont get picked up knowing that guys can just say screw it and be on their merry way back to camp couch.
SN
@Brett:
Yes, it seems to be part of the equation now. I have an email train that looks pretty legit (it has my shore detailer's signature in the middle of the train) that says this is now required to move on up, except now the norm is 1.5 years (2 mo training, 179 "over there," and 3 months decompression training). So my question is if they still need guys to go to the boat AND you have to go to the desert AND you're supposed to be in your DH tour by 10 years, how does that math work again?
@Kbay:
Yes, all IPs are still up to get pulled and sent over there. Don't know about what they do w/ guys' orders. I know they couldn't do anything for me, because my contract is up when my orders are, but for other guys with more time, they would probably work w/ them.
Yes, it seems to be part of the equation now. I have an email train that looks pretty legit (it has my shore detailer's signature in the middle of the train) that says this is now required to move on up, except now the norm is 1.5 years (2 mo training, 179 "over there," and 3 months decompression training). So my question is if they still need guys to go to the boat AND you have to go to the desert AND you're supposed to be in your DH tour by 10 years, how does that math work again?
@Kbay:
Yes, all IPs are still up to get pulled and sent over there. Don't know about what they do w/ guys' orders. I know they couldn't do anything for me, because my contract is up when my orders are, but for other guys with more time, they would probably work w/ them.
I guess I'd rather do 12 months at NAVCENT doing something at least sort of related to my warfare specialty than 6 months in the green zone doing some menial administrative task for some Army guy. How has your tour been so far, Schnugg? I've been through NAVCENT, but never for more than a few days at a time.Schnugg said:
Brett
gatordev said:
I've seen that email (yep, it's making the rounds everywhere). Personally, I don't see how they can do it. There are regular jobs that still need to be filled in units stateside and at sea. What's more, they couldn't hope to roll everyone into one of the C5F or IZ jobs - there's not that many jobs. For our helo brethren, there is a fair amount of helo work being done , i.e. the Navy air ambulance guys, logistical hops, etc.; but say for some platforms, maybe not so much; and some jobs could really be done by anyone (aviator not required). My guess is that once they start drawing down numbers over there in this next year, a lot of the perceived pressure to "get people over there" will start to ease as well.