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separation/attrition from SNA/SNFO/SWO pipelines
- Thread starter erk
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I will add caution to the wind. Just be careful what you do. They are starting to send some attrites/DOR's/whatever to fill Army dude's billets in the sandbox. It happened to a dude that I started flight school with, it can happen to you.
I doubt it. Change of service is complicated and, as far as I know, cannot be involuntary.
I doubt it. Change of service is complicated and, as far as I know, cannot be involuntary.
@Goober:
I agree, I think this will start to slack off a bit when there are "fewer" people over there, but there's still Afghanistan. The problem w/ helo guys is that if they wanted flying billets to fill, it would be easier (I'd volunteer, probably), but the IAs aren't for those type of jobs, since they're filled by regular squadrons that are already manned. The IAs are for ground jobs, be it at a desk or something else.
I agree, I think this will start to slack off a bit when there are "fewer" people over there, but there's still Afghanistan. The problem w/ helo guys is that if they wanted flying billets to fill, it would be easier (I'd volunteer, probably), but the IAs aren't for those type of jobs, since they're filled by regular squadrons that are already manned. The IAs are for ground jobs, be it at a desk or something else.
Yeah, agree with all. This can't be some kind of community wide requirement. I suspect the email is just an attempt by someone to justify the pain and make it seem more acceptable. There was some good discussion on this issue at the flag panel at Hook.gatordev said:
Brett
ip568 said:
These people are not doing an interservice transfer, they are being sent as Naval Officers to fill Army billets. I guess the Army has made it clear that they cannot continue their current optempo and SecDef and CNO have signed off on Navy guys filling some of their jobs. It's happening now. Twice now my squadron has been pinged for names to go into the hat for IA billets. No one has been selected yet, but it is just a matter of time before a squadronmate gets "picked". Guys rolling to shore tours are also starting to get pressured to volunteer for some of these jobs "enroute" to their shore duty.
snizo
Supply Officer
Why on earth would you spend all the effort to try and fail out of flight school? Whether you fail out or DOR, you are redesignated the same - 1305. An attrite is an attrite, and it doesn't matter if you DOR'd or failed out when it comes time to decide what to do with you.sarnav said:
Why don't they just pluck up some reservists to fill these? Or are we talking about like hundreds of these things per year or something?HooverPilot said:
snizo said:
They are using reservists, to some extent (I know a few who've volunteered). Problem is, they want folks with some kind of operational experience, and finding reservists with that qualification who are also willing to go to the sandbox is tough. Next in line, shore tour folks.
As for numbers, I think I see at least one IA come up every week. For a while there was usually 2 or 3 a week. And I've haven't even found where message traffic is on the network I'm on now, so I'm sure there are others that aren't for our designators.
In my opinion, there is a difference for those who fail out and those who quit. I imagine there are plenty of dudes who don't fit into what I am about to say but whatever...Guys who fail out generally WANT to be aviators. For whatever reason (not able to land on the boat, can't do instruments, etc), they could not get it done and had to move on. Quitters are exactly that. Especially those losers who quit right into API. I guess if you decide it's "not right for you"...fine...but you know what, you aren't going to find a better job in the navy. OK, rant complete...
As for IA...Apparantly the Army is whining that the Navy isn't pulling it's weight. Whatever...Anyways, a bunch of guys were talking about if they had gaps in leaving their squadrons vs. reporting for their shore tour, they would get a little surprise...Six months in the gulf. Just something to think about...
As for IA...Apparantly the Army is whining that the Navy isn't pulling it's weight. Whatever...Anyways, a bunch of guys were talking about if they had gaps in leaving their squadrons vs. reporting for their shore tour, they would get a little surprise...Six months in the gulf. Just something to think about...
Hello All. I used to be LTjg Paul Abshire but now I'm Sgt Paul Abshire. When I got my IRAD for not quite having made it through NPS (after doing some time at a PA job in Norfolk) I decided I wanted to learn Arabic. OCS would have likely landed me in an Infantry job and that wasn't the point of signing up, so I worked with Enlisted Program Mgmt Div in Alexandria, and the Virginia Beach recruiter, to secure an MOS as an NCO that would enable me to go to DLI. Turns out that they need lots of 97E's (interrogators) right now. So they sent me to that Warrior Transition Course, where I did penance for flunking NPS, and then to Fort Huachuca in AZ for the interrogater course, where I did more slighty less severe penance, and now I'm at DLI learning Arabic. Arabic is great, but there is more penance involved, the Army is full of dumb goons up and down the chain but there are a lot of great people here too. And yes, I think the level of overall stupidity in the Army is probably higher than that in the Navy. It's been an adjustment being enlisted again. Anyone else out there had similar IRAD experiences or know of anyone else who has done anything similar?
Goober said:
The word I got was that everyone who stayed in to be a C.O. would spend a year in an IA job. I also heard that it would give you joint credit. As far as credit for a disassociated, I’m not sure. Shore duty J.O.’s STAND BY or should I say BOHICA.
I love the idea of sending Flight school DOR’s into those jobs. In fact send the bottom ten percent don’t screw the guys that are coming off of sea duty. Retention is going to suffer if this is as widespread as people are speculating.
