Sounds like change is coming...

[llnick2001]

Having just spent the last hour reading this entire thread, I have a few ideas.
4. It is absolutely no one's business in the Fleet whether I am gay or straight, unless I choose to make it their business. I can't think of any situation where I would feel compelled to tell someone in the fleet my sexual orientation if I was any sort of professional. Even now, I see no need to share with the forum that I'm straight, because I can't see what is has to do with my performance of my job as a flight student. It is a question and answer that can and should (or even must) be quickly and easily dismissed. That's what professionals do.

There is no need to share it, but it will be known if you're not trying to hide it. When you bring a chick to the dinning out people will assume you're straight. When you talk to one of your buddies about the fight you had with your boy friend or bring him to some squadron function, they'll know you're gay. When you hook up with a he-she in Thailand...well that will throw everyone off, bad example. Point is, it isn't unprofessional to socialize with your peers and in doing so, they become part of your personal life. What you do in your personal life may not harm your job performance, but out of work interactions with the squadron are a very important part of your rep (for better or for worse). I'm not saying being gay should harm your rep (I personally don't have a problem with gays), but don't think that your personal life and your professional life are totally separate.

 

[llnick2001]

I had a friend that had a son, and from the time that he was about 4 or 5 it was obvious that his interests were more in line with being gay than straight. He's 20 and quite flamingly gay, and you would never convince me that he choose to be that way.

When I was 5 I liked He-Man and thought girls were gross. I wasn't gay I was just a little boy. How can you tell if a 5 year old is gay?

 

[eddie]

When I was 5 I liked He-Man and thought girls were gross. I wasn't gay I was just a little boy. How can you tell if a 5 year old is gay?

# of shoes?

Apparantly, you can tell from the way a person walks. Some study some months back...

 

[GroundPounder]

You would have had to be there, It was just so obvious. He didn't have any overt sexual behavior, but all of his mannierisms were what you expect of a very campy adult.

 

[MasterBates]

So he was Ernest Junior?

 

[swerdna]

What do I not understand about professionalism? Why don't you inform me? So the environment isn't everything around you that affects you?

You've obviously never taken a course that had anything to do with genetics. The type of fruit fly I'm referring to is the Drosophila melanogaster which in fact is widely used for genetic research. Do some research for yourself regarding genetics and the Drosophila melanogaster as it relates to humans before you post bullshit that reveals your obvious ignorance of the subject.

The guy said that sexuality has nothing to do with your sailors (especially as an officer), and you made fun of him. That was the problem.

You need to get off this kick of a "master gene" and that sexuality is a choice. You've given no facts to back up your arguments and have simplified a complex aspect of human behavior. As for genetics, if there was a such thing as a "master gene," wouldn't it have been discovered by now? And that would also imply that it has to be passed down from your parents. This has been debunked many times over. The American Psychological Association (APA) has removed homosexuality as a disorder and advises psychologists not to treat it as such.

You're arguments seem to be based off of your own opinions (i.e. you think homosexuality is a choice) but you obviously have no experience or understanding in this field. Aside from reading about some fruit flies.

If anyone wants to learn about the history of sexuality, check out this link. It is really interesting, especially regarding Ancient Greece. It's from Stanford University.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/

 

[GroundPounder]

So he was Ernest Junior?
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More like Paul Lynde Jr.

 

[SkywardET]

I agree filing against a senior can have consequences however in the Navy we expect our people will have the moral courage to do the right thing regardless of those consequences. Your lack of moral courage is a bit troubling considering we have decided you are worthy of a commissioning program. You will be expected as a junior guy in the cockpit to speak up when the senior officer is not acting in the best interest of the crew, aircraft, or mission.

Lack of moral courage, ma'am? I'll try to remember that next time I see fairly clear racism from the CMC but have absolutely no hard proof but my own eye-witness account. Hell, I'll be really courageous about all the rumors going around about X department head banging Y chief with a few witness. I'll start my own investigation and get eyewitness reports. I'll be my own one-man NCIS.

Reporting every minor thing results in both Crying Wolf Syndrome and no progress towards any goal. But hey, I can always count on this place to pass character judgement on the most minor of asides.

 

[LazersGoPEWPEW]

The guy said that sexuality has nothing to do with your sailors (especially as an officer), and you made fun of him. That was the problem.

Cry me a fucking river. I don't think the young man needs a babysitter.

You need to get off this kick of a "master gene" and that sexuality is a choice. You've given no facts to back up your arguments and have simplified a complex aspect of human behavior.

I need to get off my kick? It's legitimate research that could lead to the discovery of a master gene in humans.

As for genetics, if there was a such thing as a "master gene," wouldn't it have been discovered by now?

Not necessarily. That's a pretty weak assumption right there. Although we have mapped the human genome, there is a lot of research until we fully understand the complete genetics of a human being. So now it probably wouldn't have.

And that would also imply that it has to be passed down from your parents.

Possible. But as we know some traits are dominant and some are recessive. Also some traits skip generations.

This has been debunked many times over. The American Psychological Association (APA) has removed homosexuality as a disorder and advises psychologists not to treat it as such.

Yes the APA removed it....as a mental disorder. I'm not claiming it's a mental disorder though or even a disorder. I'm proposing that it should be reexamined in light of new research that could lead to its classification as such. Disorder, recessive trait, etc. Call it whatever you want.

You're arguments seem to be based off of your own opinions (i.e. you think homosexuality is a choice) but you obviously have no experience or understanding in this field. Aside from reading about some fruit flies.

Why are you telling me what I already know? I know it's an opinion, but it is an opinion that I've formulated based on research on the subject. Yes I've read the counter-arguments to my view. But I don't buy them. If you have some issue with me disagreeing with you or you feel threatened by my view then I suggest you go take a man pill and suck it up.

 

[nittany03]

Discussion is fine, but if the flames continue to spread as they are starting to, this thread is done.

 

[Schnugg]

The guy said that sexuality has nothing to do with your sailors (especially as an officer), and you made fun of him.

You'll never ever get that in the ready room, so good point.

You're arguments seem to be based off of your own opinions (i.e. you think homosexuality is a choice) but you obviously have no experience or understanding in this field.

Practice makes perfect...at least that's what I heard...but hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Aside from reading about some fruit flies.

What is that a hidden pun slam on gays...what are you homophobic?

If anyone wants to learn about the history of sexuality, check out this link. It is really interesting, especially regarding Ancient Greece.

What is this??? Another hidden innuendo?

I added my comments...I think there's some hidden issues you may need to deal with.




Flame off.

 

[FlyinRock]

Nittany03
It never ceases to amaze me that this subject can cause such dissention and harsh words. Nearly as bad as democrats vs republicans ....<gg>

 

[Slammer2]

...I think there's some hidden issues you may need to deal with

http://www.wimp.com/niceguy/

 

[exhelodrvr]

Lack of moral courage, ma'am? I'll try to remember that next time I see fairly clear racism from the CMC but have absolutely no hard proof but my own eye-witness account. Hell, I'll be really courageous about all the rumors going around about X department head banging Y chief with a few witness. I'll start my own investigation and get eyewitness reports. I'll be my own one-man NCIS.

Reporting every minor thing results in both Crying Wolf Syndrome and no progress towards any goal. But hey, I can always count on this place to pass character judgement on the most minor of asides.

Yes, judgment/common sense is a very important part of leadership. You can't put someone on report every time they do something wrong. (There might even be an aviator or two here who hasn't followed all the altitude/airspeed/airspace restrictions quite to the letter on every flight.)

 

[swerdna]

Insult me if you want, but DADT is going to be a thing of the past. Those Officers and Sailors who have problems dealing with or accepting homosexuals (including hypothesizing that it may be an illness) will probably find their careers cut short. I'm sure that groups like the ACLU are just waiting to make an example out of someone. The military has a lot of changes coming, and the last thing it needs is another scandal.