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Stimulus Bill
- Thread starter Pitt2005
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It's corruption. It's called corruption. Corruption in politics ... political corruption ... corrupt politicians.
Corruption:
1. a. impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle: depravity b: decay; decomposition: c: inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (as bribery) d: a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct
2. archaic : an agency or influence that corrupts
source: Merriam-Webster
Wow.
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I am so glad Rep Boehner is speaking out. I had no idea that our congressman did not read every single page of all the bills they vote on. Shocking, is all I can say.
Again, good for Rep Boehner. I am going to post a video of him railing against his fellow congressman for voting the USA PATRIOT ACT so quickly into law (passed Oct 26, 2001) without reading all 342 pages. I'll bet he was steamed!
Edit: Wait, I can't find that video on youTube, or anywhere on the internets. Mebbe someone can give me search tips on how to find it???
It's not so much of the 1100 pages of the bill that steams me or whether or not your Congressman even bothers to read a fraction of it.... It's more of the obfuscation OR ambivalence of what's in it and then the whelching on the provision to afford the public 48 hours to review the bill.
That's what bothers me the most. Visibility on government actions has been a large talking point yet on a huge bill like this it's not allowed.
Good God! That's almost as thick as a P-3 NATOPS.
Well, no need to get ahead of yourself there. I don't think anything is that big. The stimulus is probably a better read though.
I am so glad Rep Boehner is speaking out. I had no idea that our congressman did not read every single page of all the bills they vote on. Shocking, is all I can say.
Again, good for Rep Boehner. I am going to post a video of him railing against his fellow congressman for voting the USA PATRIOT ACT so quickly into law (passed Oct 26, 2001) without reading all 342 pages. I'll bet he was steamed!
Edit: Wait, I can't find that video on youTube, or anywhere on the internets. Mebbe someone can give me search tips on how to find it???
Great point, if everyone hasn't read the contents of every bill ever signed in the past, then we certainly shouldn't question the administration on this one...
Clearly the fact that such a large number of Representatives and Senators are not reading the bills that they sign into effect is a terrible thing. Whether they have or have not read the entirety of the bill they were voting on in the past is irrelevant, as this is now the present. It was wrong then, and will be wrong in the future no doubt, but that does not invalidate his argument.
I want to run for Congress and do all kinds of fun stuff with that enormous power. I would submit ammendments to rename bills that I don't support to things like "The Kitten Killing Initiative Act" and things I do like as "This Is How Jesus Would Act" and so forth... Make things like 3,500 pages long just for the sake of them being so long that nobody would read them, then have my staffers tell everyone what they want to hear so they pass it. Yeah... would be awesome...
Slightly more seriously, I wouldn't mind seeing some movement towards making gross breaches of public trust a capital offense...
Slightly more seriously, I wouldn't mind seeing some movement towards making gross breaches of public trust a capital offense...
It would be impossible for Congressmen to read every bill; I don't expect them to do that as it is the job of their staffers to read and summarize it. I think it is silly to grandstand about it; question the lack of 48 hours of review, as that is a sticking point I agree with. But to make a big deal of the inability for Congressman to read a bill cover to cover is pure politics.
Herc, I'm not going to try to get in a pissing contest with anyone whether there was an element of grandstanding to the Boehner clip on C-SPAN. There is a lot of histrionics/theatrics especially in the House, for sure. (I'm not sure the Senate is any more collegial anymore.) And yes, having grown up in DC, I realize that it's mainly staffers that read the fine print. But as far as a piece of legislation goes, it's pretty much indefensible... and I'm glad we can agree that the lack of transparency of what's in it is troubling.